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PostPosted: 08 Dec 2010 5:53 am 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUYHlaMZWf8

No prizes for guessing what's going down here.

This is going to back fire on the authorities big time. They have made a massive mistake here.

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Yah, finally. I think everyone knows it's a set-up but it won't actually prevent wikileaks from operating.

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I agree Rain
I think the New World Order is in for a wee bit of a surprise

We can not find Osama Bin Laudin but we can trump ip charges and get Interpol warrants for him
Who is controlling the justice systems of the world


AMERICA
they can steal murder pillage and attack countries

I heard today Mastercard was hacked into
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PostPosted: 08 Dec 2010 10:07 pm 
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We can not find Osama Bin Laudin but we can trump ip charges and get Interpol warrants for him
Who is controlling the justice systems of the world


Yes, but Lovuian, you mention the justice system, but irrespective about what one thinks about the issue of the leaks - personally I think it's mindless cyber-vandalism, but I can see the other point of view (most of this stuff shouldn't be secret in the first place anyway :roll: ) - regardless of all that, two women in two separate incidents have made allegations of rape. They deserve for that to be investigated, and not to have their names and reputations pilloried and trashed all over the internet, as I understand has been happening. They have rights in all this, and if a Swedish prosecutor thinks there's a case to answer, then Assange should be extradited to answer that case.

And come on, Sweden!?! - given its culture and politics, it's about the least likely accomplice to any US conspiracy that I can imagine. And it has a pretty soft penal system, compared to most places. If I was in a British prison, I''d be begging to get extradited to Sweden.

But seriously, he has a case to answer, and he should answer it, that's all I'm saying.


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We can not find Osama Bin Laudin but we can trump ip charges and get Interpol warrants for him
Who is controlling the justice systems of the world


Yes, but Lovuian, you mention the justice system, but irrespective about what one thinks about the issue of the leaks - personally I think it's mindless cyber-vandalism, but I can see the other point of view (most of this stuff shouldn't be secret in the first place anyway :roll: ) - regardless of all that, two women in two separate incidents have made allegations of rape. They deserve for that to be investigated, and not to have their names and reputations pilloried and trashed all over the internet, as I understand has been happening. They have rights in all this, and if a Swedish prosecutor thinks there's a case to answer, then Assange should be extradited to answer that case.

And come on, Sweden!?! - given its culture and politics, it's about the least likely accomplice to any US conspiracy that I can imagine. And it has a pretty soft penal system, compared to most places. If I was in a British prison, I''d be begging to get extradited to Sweden.

But seriously, he has a case to answer, and he should answer it, that's all I'm saying.


Their names and reputations aren't being reported in Australia - not openly anyway & It's a convenient time for justice to occur. Assange on the other hand is also not been given justice - in that it shouldn't be guilty until proven innocent and convicted in court of public opinion on seperate charges - he has not been afforded the same and equal rights under the common law that exist across the natural justice system.

The onus of proof of a person declared a perpetrator lays with the accuser, not the accused.

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WikiLeaks cyber war heats up


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There are warnings today that a cyber war over the WikiLeaks cable dump could intensify, after hackers targeted the websites of credit giants Visa and Mastercard.

The visa.com website went down this morning as members of a hackers' group, called Anonymous, launched a coordinated cyber attack announced on their Twitter feed @Anon_Operation.

The attack, and a similar denial-of-service attack targeting Mastercard, came after the firms began blocking payments to WikiLeaks.

And the battle moved into the commercial sphere overnight with allegations the US government is pressuring companies to stop dealing with WikiLeaks.

Online payment service Paypal is the first to admit it froze the WikiLeaks account based on the US government's stance against WikiLeaks.

The Paypal move, as well as Visa and Mastercard's withdrawal of services, are a problem for WikiLeaks because it relies on many small donations to keep going.

WikiLeaks spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson called the block on payments "despicable" and accused the three companies of bowing to US government pressure.

"We are looking at new measures to open up a gateway so people can continue supporting us," he said.

"It is an attack on a media organisation and should be of concern to the general public. And indeed it is, as we can feel by the reaction of the general public condemning the decision of these companies."

Hackers have also targeted the website of the Swedish authority which is prosecuting the sexual assault case against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and are reportedly considering attacks on Paypal and/or Twitter.

A man who calls himself 'Cold Blood' says he is a spokesman for the activists behind the attacks.

"There's roughly about 1,000 people taking part in the attacks," he said.

"It involves people downloading a tool and becoming part of what's called a voluntary botnet. So they download the software and run it to allow people to control them and attack the same target at the same time."

Experts say it is extremely difficult to track down the authors of denial-of-service attacks, which are illegal in some countries.

More attacks likely

Deakin University's School of Information Systems head Matthew Warren says it is likely the attacks will escalate.

"A number of organisations around the world are refusing payments," he said.

"And I would expect that those organisations themselves would become victims of these type of cyber attacks during the next couple of days. It actually only needs a few people to coordinate those zombie nets."

Professor Warren says large companies are vulnerable to such attacks because of the "sheer volume of information that floods the server [and] slows down the operation".

"What we've seen with these attacks [is] that some have been successful for only a small amount of time, actually sort of impacting operations, slowing it down rather than bringing the site down," he said.

He says today's attacks can be judged a success because they have attracted more attention to the WikiLeaks cause.

"From that point it's been very successful because questions will now be asked. Why is it that they're stopping payments to WikiLeaks but they'll accept payments for pornography sites or for other services that people may question?"

Institute of International and European Affairs senior researcher Johnny Ryan has just finished a study for the European Commission on how to regulate illegal internet content.

He says the WikiLeaks scandal shows governments may not be able to control what is on the internet.

"We are seeing states and governments trying to get to grips with an entirely new digital order, a new system of communications," he said.

"The state is going to have to adapt. And the same goes for business and culture. There are seismic disruptions happening to all of these actors who are used to the old industrial order, and they're going to have to change in the digital era."

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PostPosted: 10 Dec 2010 11:43 am 
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Assange interview

The Assange 1.5Gb Insurance file

One thing worth noting about Wikileaks.

Wikileaks was first introduced to the world in 2007 by Cass Sunstein on the Washington Post. Sunstein had openly said that he would pose as an activist in order to close down free speech on the Internet.

Wikileaks filed for bankrupcy then sufddenly they had money. Wikileaks is a George Soros operation.

Be very suspicious about Wikileaks. This maybe a scam in order to allow governments to introduce legislation limiting internet access.

If you think that the web isn't getting shut down then try getting omto this site.cryptome.org from google. Now try the cached link.

Cryptome was the predecessor of Wikileaks, it's now difficult (not impossible) to access. Interview. Part 2 Part 3 This is the whistleblower website

The moral of the story is don't send your whistleblowing items to wikileaks send them to Cryptome.

You should read what cryptome says about the Vatican. With original documents in support.

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PostPosted: 11 Dec 2010 9:26 am 
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Another aspect to this, in my view, is the very adverse implications this has in the future in respect of people's right to privacy. Given the information age we live in, this affects all of us, and it's a right that is already diminishing, with or without the Wikileaks episode. Which is something else that Assange's cheerleaders in the western media might like to stop and think about for five minutes.


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Another aspect to this, in my view, is the very adverse implications this has in the future in respect of people's right to privacy. Given the information age we live in, this affects all of us, and it's a right that is already diminishing, with or without the Wikileaks episode. Which is something else that Assange's cheerleaders in the western media might like to stop and think about for five minutes.


So Richard what do think when Wikileaks is attacked through Amazon, Paypal, Visa, Mastercard and various other websites that have been attacked with DOS and subtle demands from the U.S. government?

Are you thinking (more than five minutes of course) that down the road this might affect you and your right to privacy? Is that what you're worried about?

Here's my problem with it all. The very same Legislators, Senior State officials, Dipolmats and law makers indeed the very same people that promise and take oaths to uphold the law then turn around and usurp these very same laws they perport to derive their livings from. They represent US in their various ways. I live under a representational democracy and therefore those people are beholden to the very same public they are now proportionally trying to silence through means that destroy any kind of trust we derive from the relationship.

"Assange's cheerleaders" as you so call them, in my city are actually civil rights solicters and various other legal personages. Those were the majority of the bandleaders of the 2 protests we had.
These civil rights solicters introduced such laws in my state that allow me to drive to a safe spot if pulled over in suspect or perceived dangerous conditions. I now have the right to legal representation if detained (which was almost taken away from us under new anti-terrorism laws), I now have the right to privacy and warrants must be issued for surveillance. They protect the legal rights of all people not just people others deem acceptable because they believe in justice and the law most certainly to their detriment as their files are the accessed under the FOI Act(Freedom of Information, ironic). In other words they live under a microscope so they are squeaky clean. Yes, these are "Assange's cheerleaders" in my city. I'm so very glad to have these people on my team. GO TEAM, GO :!:

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Another aspect to this, in my view, is the very adverse implications this has in the future in respect of people's right to privacy. Given the information age we live in, this affects all of us, and it's a right that is already diminishing, with or without the Wikileaks episode. Which is something else that Assange's cheerleaders in the western media might like to stop and think about for five minutes.


Are you equating a citizen's right to privacy with a government lackey's right to impunity through "official secrets" censorship?

I'm with Assange all the way! Transparency is essential to any semblance of democracy. I'm no fan of democracy, but if you're going to insist on it, then at least give it the proper tools to succeed.


As I said further up, much of this information shouldn't be classified in the first place, and therein lies part of the problem. But since you've introduced democracy into the equation, then I'll reiterate my concern. If an organisation, that happens to be accountable to nobody, decides that it can indiscriminately release masses of private information like this, then there are most certainly wider implications down the line in respect of our privacy. Today it's the private information of various governments that is being released. Tomorrow it could be my information. Or your information.

If one accepts the notion that people are entitled to a degree of privacy, and to able to discuss things in confidence, irrespective of who those people are, then whatever the merits of this particular case, and amidst all the sound and fury that it generates, then I don't believe it is unreasonable to raise this issue as a wider, more general, more long term concern. It is this aspect of the affair that causes me personally the most unease. That's all.


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Remember that WikiLeaks isn't acting alone... it's partnered with the top newspapers in the world...New York Times, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, etc... and they carefully review 250,000 US diplomatic cables and remove any information that it is irresponsible or dangerous to publish. I think as of yesterday that only 800 cables have been published so far. Past WikiLeaks publications have exposed government-backed torture, the murder of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, and corporate corruption.
Legal experts say WikiLeaks has likely broken no laws. Yet top american politicians have called it a terrorist group and commentators have urged assassination of its staff. The organization has come under massive government and corporate attack, but WikiLeaks is only publishing information provided by a whistleblower.

The US government is pulling out all the stops by pursuing all legal avenues it has to prevent (by any means) WikiLeaks from publishing more cables, but the laws of democracy protects freedom of the press. The US and other governments may not like the laws that protect our freedom of expression, but that's exactly why it's so important that we have them, and why only a democratic process can change them.

Reasonable people can disagree on whether WikiLeaks and the leading newspapers it's partnered with are releasing more information than the public should see. Whether the releases undermine diplomatic confidentiality and whether that's a good thing. Whether WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has the personal character of a hero or a villain. But none of this justifies a vicious campaign of intimidation to silence a legal media outlet by governments and corporations.
All said with no sweary words you notice.


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Kudos, Sheila... I can't do it without a LOT of @#$%^&*(*&^%$#@ words and imprecations against the bastards.

Wikileaks, for instance, revealed that the US State Department used rather ominously grotesque threats against Germany, in order to prevent any legal action going forward against any CIA gangsters who abducted (they call it "extraordinary rendition", it's a Clinton invention and it's illegal by any standard) El Masri in Germany and dumped him on a back road in Albania when they finally figured out (after torture and other goodies) that he was an innocent guy.

Germans have a right to know who those officials were who caved in to US Gangsterism, so that they can exercise their democratic right to eradicate them from any public office whatsoever.

The cables also reveal that Obama is rather like Dubya with a tan and elocution lessons. The 2008 campaign slogan was "Yes, We can!"... but the 2014 campaign slogan looks like it's going to be "Oh no we didn't!"


What didn't you get the avaaz wikileaks petition? :wink:

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Roger wrote:
Wikileaks, for instance, revealed that the US State Department used rather ominously grotesque threats against Germany, in order to prevent any legal action going forward against any CIA gangsters who abducted (...) El Masri in Germany and dumped him on a back road in Albania when they finally figured out (after torture and other goodies) that he was an innocent guy.
He's still fighting for his rights. No excuses or payments so far.

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The cables also reveal that Obama is rather like Dubya with a tan and elocution lessons.
Who was it that said Obama is merely a face-lifting? It was an american politician.
Same old story - some guys in power want the US to be ruined.


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British CPS in service for Obama's rogues: How good it is to have friends ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/15/julian-assange-bail-decision-uk


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Speaking to the BBC after being released on bail yesterday, Julian Assange said of the case against him:

"My feeling is in fact that there's a number of different interests - personal, domestic and international - that are all feeding from this process and encouraging it and pushing it along.

"But it is revealing some important things. It's revealing some disturbing aspects of Europe.

"For example, that any person in any European country can be extradited to any other European country without the provision of any evidence whatsoever."



The BBC Newsnight presenter asked Mr Assange if he would give his word of honour that he would not try to abscond before the next hearing.

He replied: "We have done everything by the book. We have tried as hard as possible to set up a situation where we can clear my name of these allegations.

"But what we have not seen is the provision of any evidence or material to allow us to do that."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12015140



and i just noticed that former Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin has said he should be hunted down like the al-Qaeda leadership!


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Speaking to the BBC after being released on bail yesterday, Julian Assange said of the case against him:

"My feeling is in fact that there's a number of different interests - personal, domestic and international - that are all feeding from this process and encouraging it and pushing it along.

"But it is revealing some important things. It's revealing some disturbing aspects of Europe.

"For example, that any person in any European country can be extradited to any other European country without the provision of any evidence whatsoever."



The BBC Newsnight presenter asked Mr Assange if he would give his word of honour that he would not try to abscond before the next hearing.

He replied: "We have done everything by the book. We have tried as hard as possible to set up a situation where we can clear my name of these allegations.

"But what we have not seen is the provision of any evidence or material to allow us to do that."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12015140



and i just noticed that former Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin has said he should be hunted down like the al-Qaeda leadership!


The whereabouts of Julian Assange was known by the British Police weeks before his arrest. He has never hid from the police only from the press and media. He will not abscond and putting him in prison will make a marthyr out of him.

Sarah Palin is a stupid thick bimbo. What do you expect?

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PostPosted: 21 Dec 2010 2:54 pm 
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Sheila wrote:

and i just noticed that former Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin has said he should be hunted down like the al-Qaeda leadership!



Sarah, in common with the grizzly mama sisterhood, is a daftie. She even thinks North Korea is a US ally. Compared to her Dubya is a polymath.

Back to Wikileaks, if it embarrasses politicians, bureaucrats or the odd tyrant, well good on it. I still chuckle at the revelation about Gaddafi has a buxom Ukranian 'nurse' :lol:

Anyway I'm writing from a country where the legal system proved malleable to foriegn pressure (the Megrahi 'trial')


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The one I am feeling very sorry for is Bradley Manning....he is in solitary confinement on suicide watch

as far as I'm concern he is being driven crazy ....this is so wrong
this only lowers his credibility if they want him to implicate Assange

Our government is out of control with corruption and this is more evidence our military is rebelling

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If the US get Assange and sentence him I think the damage for the US will be bigger as if they don't put Assange in court.


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The one I am feeling very sorry for is Bradley Manning....he is in solitary confinement on suicide watch

as far as I'm concern he is being driven crazy ....this is so wrong
this only lowers his credibility if they want him to implicate Assange

Our government is out of control with corruption and this is more evidence our military is rebelling


Well said that girl...seconded....

This is totally and utterly inhumane....he's being treated worse than a mass murderer for God's sake....and being held by the people who condone the atrocities.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12075094

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The 23-year-old was arrested earlier this year and charged with stealing secret information. One accusation is that he handed Wikileaks video of an Apache helicopter killing 12 civilians in Baghdad in 2007.

However, there has been no formal indictment and no date for a trial has been set.


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Here is an interview by Frost with Assange
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/frostovertheworld/2010/12/201012228384924314.html

When I visited my relatives in Europe ...I warned them about how bad it was in America
I told them I understood how the German people could be duped by Hitler

controlling the media and propaganda machine of Murdoch ...is very Orwellian
I think Europe is ahead of this game ....

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This is the kind of thing being released.

Watch this and be disgusted.

Reuters news, who had two of their reporters killed in the incident, have been trying to have this video released through the freedom of information. Without success. Yes they want to hide kind of thing from you.

Good on you Julian Assange.

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Wikileaks Panoramic Dupery
http://www.amazon.com/Inside-WikiLeaks-Assange-Dangerous-Website/dp/030795191X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1297075105&sr=8-1

Inside WikiLeaks: My Time with Julian Assange at the World's Most Dangerous Website

Daniel Domscheit-Berg

This title will be released on February 15, 2011.

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Domscheit-Berg will be on BBC Panorama's investigation of Wikileaks tonight:

On the eve of the extradition hearing to decide whether WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange must return to Sweden to face rape allegations, Panorama talks to his former right hand man who walked out last year. Assessing what WikiLeaks and its exposing of sensitive offcial material has achieved, the film examines claims that the organisation famous for leaking government secrets was paranoid about leaks from within and that it has failed to live up to its own ideals on openness.

Cryptome was interviewed for this show via Skype but not likely to be included due to hostility toward BBC's poor preparation and glib treatment all too common in the slick media. This was the last of some 60 interviews of Cryptome about Wikileaks, of which only three had done sufficient background research to have a beneficial exchange, and those were truncated or omitted to feature lurid reporting. All the others quoted only shallow news reports to seek gossip-grade commentary pretending to be newsworthy.

Cryptome told a researcher for Panorama to go away until deeper research had been done. It was promised but not done, instead a "celebrated" reporter was assigned to do the interview and fumbled and faked knowledgeability as we watched him turn to others in the background for guidance to Cryptome accusations about mishandling and trivialization by the media of the Wikileaks furor, especially by focusing on Julian Assange and avoiding far more important benefits and faults of such initiatives.

That led to even greater background fumbling among the Panorama staff because nobody advising the interviewer appeared to know much about the depth and breadth of Wikileaks-like initiatives, only how to milk the controversy for lucrative headlines as the media-manufactured-celebrity Assange has been willingly seduced into doing. Leaked documents of Swedish allegations of seduction an amplifying sideshow arranged by Assange's lawyers and publicists.

The sordid underground economy in stolen information of which Wikileaks is a tiny part, and for which the media is a major facilitator and dupe got the usual incredulity by the BBC interviewer. For a glimpse of Internet predations by hackers in this black trade see Kevin Poulsen's Kingpin: How One Hacker Took Over the Billion-Dollar Cybercrime Underground. That aspect of Wikileaks is yet to be deeply understood much less reported.

There is much more of the operations, technology, staffing and concealment of black information traffficking being ignored thanks to the Wikileaks entertaining diversion beguiling sappy-vain media, bloggers, lawyers, panelists, moviemakers, prosecutors, publicity agents, publishers, and other celebrity-mongerers eager to promote valiant public service to "spill secrets" to gull wealthy donors and game media consumers.

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I watched the 60 minutes special with Assange
and I have to say the Interview put 60 minutes in a very dark light

the face of the interviewer was hostile and I love how Assange pointed out the threats
when the 60 minute interviewer went hows it feel like to be known as a martyr
and Assange says hole on I'm not dead yet

Manning is a hero and yet in a prison being tortured
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Manning is a hero and yet in a prison being tortured
sad state of affairs


Yeh! That's the kind of thing that the Nazis did. Think about it.

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