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 Post subject: Re: Carbon dioxide or ?
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 Post subject: Re: Carbon dioxide or ?
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decomposing bodies = hydrogen sulphide, carbon dioxide, and methane.
Hydrogen sulfide results from the bacterial breakdown of organic matter in the absence of oxygen, such as in swamps and sewers; this process is commonly known as anaerobic digestion. H2S also occurs in volcanic gases, natural gas, and some well waters.


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A will-o'-the-wisp /ˌwɪl ə ðə ˈwɪsp/ or ignis fatuus (pron.: /ˌɪɡnɨs ˈfætʃuːəs/; Medieval Latin: "foolish fire") is a ghostly light seen by travellers at night, especially over bogs, swamps or marshes. It resembles a flickering lamp and is said to recede if approached, drawing travellers from the safe paths. The phenomenon is known by a variety of names, including jack-o'-lantern, hinkypunk, and hobby lantern in English[1] folk belief, well attested in English folklore and in much of European folklore.


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The will-o'-the-wisp can be found in numerous folk tales around the United Kingdom, and is often a malicious character in the stories. In Welsh folklore, it is said that the light is "fairy fire" held in the hand of a púca, or pwca, a small goblin-like fairy that mischievously leads lone travelers off the beaten path at night. As the traveler follows the púca through the marsh or bog, the fire is extinguished, leaving them lost. The púca is said to be one of the Tylwyth Teg, or fairy family. In Wales the light predicts a funeral that will take place soon in the locality. Wirt Sikes in his book British Goblins mentions the following Welsh tale about púca.
A peasant traveling home at dusk sees a bright light traveling along ahead of him. Looking closer, he sees that the light is a lantern held by a "dusky little figure", which he follows for several miles. All of a sudden he finds himself standing on the edge of a vast chasm with a roaring torrent of water rushing below him. At that precise moment the lantern-carrier leaps across the gap, lifts the light high over its head, lets out a malicious laugh and blows out the light, leaving the poor peasant a long way from home, standing in pitch darkness at the edge of a precipice. This is a fairly common cautionary tale concerning the phenomenon; however, the ignis fatuus was not always considered dangerous. There are some tales told about the will-o'-the-wisp being guardians of treasure, much like the Irish leprechaun leading those brave enough to follow them to sure riches. Other stories tell of travelers getting lost in the woodland and coming upon a will-o'-the-wisp, and depending on how they treated the will-o'-the-wisp, the spirit would either get them lost further in the woods or guide them out.


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 Post subject: Re: Plutonium Turque
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Wasn't the Oracle at Delphi discovered to be over another one of these 'vents' - http://news.nationalgeographic.co.uk/ne ... racle.html.

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 Post subject: Re: Plutonium Turque
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Wasn't the Oracle at Delphi discovered to be over another one of these 'vents' - http://news.nationalgeographic.co.uk/ne ... racle.html.

Yes absolutely. Sheila and Whoop J covered this in detail a while back.
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 Post subject: Re: Plutonium Turque
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BULLDOGNIC wrote:
jlockest wrote:
Wasn't the Oracle at Delphi discovered to be over another one of these 'vents' - http://news.nationalgeographic.co.uk/ne ... racle.html.

Yes absolutely. Sheila and Whoop J covered this in detail a while back.
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Makes you think that the 'ancients' knew how to stage a religious 'show'. A few deadly gases as stage props and hey presto - a divine oracle.
I see Shelia's brain whirring and linking the gases of decomposing bodies to ritualistic waters. Maybe St Dennis managed to walk so far without a head because his body was pumped full of the gases of decomposing bodies under Montmartre

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 Post subject: Re: Plutonium Turque
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I know that Radon is related to granite, but I also thought that other 'stone' mixes caused various gas emissions - and as Richard pointed out, marsh gas from low lying areas is prevalent.
Maybe the acidic nature of some of the deposits, along with water introduced via the mines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mines_of_Paris) caused emissions (or special water 'mixes') at Montmartre - as well as providing the ideal place to re-utilise any mining tunnels.

Edited: Here's a thought - what about shale gas from the Paris basin?
Edited again: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-1 ... stion.html

It would be interesting to see what ties there are between 'ancient' religious sites and gas emissions. You could see how a place that caused hallucinations or at least a light headedness would have seemed 'special' to a religion.

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 Post subject: Re: Plutonium Turque
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Sheila wrote:
indeed it is a vast and interesting subject.

Indeed it is Sheila. Mephitic vapours. Mmmm!

The Castalia spring at Delphi is somewhere you can get a free whiff.

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 Post subject: Re: Plutonium Turque
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Makes you think that the 'ancients' knew how to stage a religious 'show'. A few deadly gases as stage props and hey presto - a divine oracle.

In some ways I agree with you, in that the locations mentioned in the ancient myths were probably not localised, for instance Hades, Persephone's Grove, the Underworld.

Certain places in areas that seemed to fit the bill clearly gained a reputation and it seems as if structures were then planned and built to fulfill the expectations.

Yes these places were not something you could knock up in a season like a Disney dark ride. They are highly complex, built to a preconceived plan that may have taken generations to complete. Consultation of an oracle was expensive, in terms of the sacrificial animals, jars of olive oil, the three day preparation or incubation period, psychedelic baths and potions, honey cakes, ritual tasks to be completed.

The working methods of Orphic initiatory rites were kept secret and few accounts have come down to us today. Consider that a descent to the underworld and back can be seen as a living ritual death/rebirth sequence, along the lines of the Egyptian book of the Dead or the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Ultimately the experience is without form or framework, but it might help guide someone to the personal experiential state to have one and Orphism is one that has its own framework and symbolism, although we have little surviving evidence of the exact workings.

Once you have had such an experience, and I admit I have, then you continue to live afterwards in the world but not of it, because you have essentially had an experience of the continuation of consciousness beyond this life. How can you be dead yet still conscious of being alive? How does that work exactly? As part of the experience of rebirth this time around you are able to appreciate the beauty and wonder of it, because you are older and wiser. When you were physically born you were pure yet ignorant and possibly more preoccupied with the task of coming from a wet environment into a dry one, plus any traumas due to being passed through someone's pelvis.

Through knowing yourself comes understanding and compassion for others. It's as if other neural circuits have been switched on or something. Other functions may come into play that science currently has not integrated into itself, but I feel sure will do so one day. I think the problem here is that analytical thought is actually a barrier to understanding these because it implies a separation of the thought and the thinker, analyst and the analysed. It is this very separation that ensures it will never happen for the scientist, although many great scientific discoveries were made in mystical states or reveries, whether through taking drugs or otherwise. Francis Crick's vision of the DNA helix through taking LSD is probably one of the more famous ones. It is experiential not experimental. That is why you have to contemplate concepts such as the thought of one hand clapping and other paradoxes.

Greek Orphic burials in Italy have been found sometimes in cemeteries specifically reserved for initiates where messages have been inscribed on gold leaves, sometimes rolled into cylinders and placed in the mouth or hands. Typical ones run:

This is the leaf of Memory: when at death
. . .
to Hades' well-built halls; there is a spring on your right
and by it the cypress with its luminous sheen
where the souls of the dead descend to slake their thirst.
You must not go near this spring or drink its water.
Further on you will find cold water flowing from
Memory's lake; there are guardians standing over it.
Shrewdly, in their wisdom, they will ask you
why you scour the darkness of Hades the Destroyer.
Say: 'I am a son of Earth and starry Heaven.
I am parched with thirst and dying: quickly, give me
the cool water flowing from Memory's lake.'
And the kings of the Underworld will pity you
and they will give you water from Memory's lake
and then you will pass along the sacred way that other
initiates and bacchants tread to their glory.

Or

When your soul forsakes the light of the sun,
take the right [ ] each step with all due care.
'Welcome! after an ordeal you have never been through before.
A god you are and mortal no longer. You are the kid that fell into milk.
'Welcome and rejoice! Take the path to the right
for the sacred meadows and groves of Persephone.'

On this day you died, thrice blessed, and came into being.
Say to Persephone that the Bakkhios himself released you.
A bull you leapt into milk,
suddenly you leapt into milk,
a ram you fell into milk.
You have wine as your mark of good fortune.
And the same rewards await you beneath the earth
as await the other blessed souls.


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The obvious connection of dragons/serpents to seismic/volcanic areas - fiery breath/fumes etc.
Are all dragon myths then from 'volatile' areas - or, are the apparent localised myths in non-volatile areas (as we have in Britain) simply imports from our 'ancestors' who originated in such regions?
Dragon/flying serpent lore seems to be global - are you going down the line of the volcano as the symbol of the serpent (and therefore the 'devil' in Christianity) being represented by the fiery entrance to the underworld?

The oddity to me has always been the dragon itself. The flying serpent that appears to have a similar image around the world. I could understand having a similar concept ie some beast is causing the seismic or volcanic activity, but a shared image?

Could the image of the flying serpent be common because such a beast did once exist, and maybe being cold blooded was attracted to these 'warmer' areas? And that beast then became associated with a local phenomenon.

Googling '...are dragon myths related to seismic or volcanic areas...' gives the impression that dragons/serpents are quite often associated with volcanic/seismic activity.

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