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PostPosted: 02 Aug 2017 6:11 pm 
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40800527

Vienne, by the way, is by some accounts, where both Herod Archelaus, and Pontius Pilate were exiled to. It is also
where Clement V, at the Council of Vienne in 1312, issued the papal bulls that dissolved the Knights Templar and ceded
their holdings to the Hospitallers.

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PostPosted: 02 Aug 2017 10:05 pm 
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Caelum wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40800527

Vienne, by the way, is by some accounts, where both Herod Archelaus, and Pontius Pilate were exiled to. It is also
where Clement V, at the Council of Vienne in 1312, issued the papal bulls that dissolved the Knights Templar and ceded
their holdings to the Hospitallers.

Thanks Caelum,
Always nice to see a new archeological discovery that's being looked after. Could unearth some interesting finds?
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PostPosted: 06 Aug 2017 12:01 pm 
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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienne_(Is%C3%A8re)#cite_note-1
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Die Stadt Vienne ist eng verbunden mit der Legende um den römischen Prokurator Pontius Pilatus. Von Kaiser Tiberius hierher verbannt, soll er dort Selbstmord begangen haben. Andere Varianten der Legende erzählen, dass erst seine Leiche nach Vienne transportiert und in der Rhone versenkt wurde, nachdem er sich in Rom umgebracht hatte. Wieder andere Versionen behaupten, Pilatus sei auf dem westlich von Vienne liegenden Mont Pilat in eine Grube geworfen worden. Vereinzelt wird in Legenden auch behauptet, er stamme aus Vienne. Nicolas Chorier, ein französischer Historiker des 17. Jahrhunderts, berichtet, dass die Nachbarstadt Lyon (Lugdunum) ebenfalls die Pilatusgeschichten für sich reklamierte und daher mit Vienne in dauerndem Streit lag. Vermutlich resultieren alle diese Legenden aus einem Missverständnis, denn nachweislich wurde ein anderer Statthalter Judäas, nämlich Archelaos, der Sohn von Herodes dem Großen, tatsächlich nach Vienne und ein weiterer Herodes, nämlich Herodes Antipas nach Lyon verbannt.
Der Tempel des Augustus und der Livia auf dem ehemaligen römischen Forum der Stadt soll das Gerichtsgebäude (le prétoire) gewesen sein, in dem Pilatus während seiner Verbannung zu Gericht gesessen habe. Vor dem Tempel gab es eine steinerne Kugel, worauf der Spruch C’est la pomme (oder: pommeau) du sceptre de Pilate gestanden haben soll. Auch den Turm, in dem Pilatus angeblich gefangen gehalten wurde, zeigte man früher den Besuchern. Im Süden der Stadt kann man zudem noch heute einen Teil des alten Circus Maximus besichtigen, der einmal als Grabmal (le mausolée de Pilate), ein anderes Mal als Haus (la maison de Pilate) des Pilatus bezeichnet wird. Auch in der Umgebung von Vienne gibt es viele Hinweise auf den Prokurator. So soll der Name des Ortes Ponsas südlich von Vienne von Pontius hergeleitet sein und alte Quellen berichten, dass es ganz in der Nähe sogar einen ganzen Ort gegeben habe, der den Namen Maison de Pilate hatte. Natürlich leitet man auch den Namen des Mont Pilat von Pilatus her.


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The city of Vienne is closely linked to the legend about the Roman procurator Pontius Pilate. Emperor Tiberius has banished him there, and has committed suicide there. Other variants of the legend tell that his corpse was transported to Vienne and sunk into the Rhone after he had been killed in Rome. Still other versions claimed that Pilate had been thrown into a pit on the west of Vienne. Singing is also claimed to be from Vienne. Nicolas Chorier, a French historian of the 17th century, reports that the neighboring city of Lyon (Lugdunum) also claimed the Pilate histories for himself and therefore faced Vienne with a constant struggle. Presumably, all these legends resulted from a misunderstanding, for another Judaist, Archelaus, the son of Herod the Great, was proved to be exiled to Lyons, and another Herod, Herod Antipas, to Lyons.
The temple of Augustus and Livia on the former Roman forum of the city was supposed to have been the court building (le prétoire) in which Pilate had sat in court during his exile. In front of the temple there was a stone ball, on which the saying C'est la pomme (or: pommeau) du scepre de Pilate was said to have stood. Also the tower, where Pilate was supposedly imprisoned, was shown to the visitors. To the south of the town you can still see a part of the old Circus Maximus, which is sometimes called the mausoleum of Pilate, or the Pilate of Pilate. Also in the vicinity of Vienne there are many references to the procurator. The name of the village of Ponsas, south of Vienne, is to be derived from Pontius, and ancient sources report that there was a whole place even nearby which had the name Maison de Pilate. Of course, the name of Mount Pilat is derived from Pilate.


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