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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2013 4:58 am 
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It appears that the fibre samples used for the analysis were taken from the same area of cloth used for the carbon dating done in 1988. See the last paragraph:

http://theshroudofturin.blogspot.com.au ... s-not.html


Those that discredit the carbon dating results say that the part of the shroud where the samples were taken from was a replacement part used to repair the shroud in the 13th century.

If this is the case, then this same argument can be used to discredit the results of the Fanti tests.

The following gives a few more details about the Fanti et al tests:

http://shroudstory.com/2013/03/27/giuli ... nd-220-ad/

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PostPosted: 12 Feb 2014 12:23 pm 
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It appears that the famous piece of cloth might date from the 1st century AD after all:

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An earthquake in Jerusalem in AD33 may have caused an atomic reaction which created the Turin Shroud and skewed radiocarbon dating results, scientists believe.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... Jesus.html


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PostPosted: 12 Feb 2014 6:51 pm 
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Recalling this new item...

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Was there really an earthquake on the day that Jesus died ?

My name is Jefferson Williams. I am a Geologist. I have been studying Dead Sea seismites since 1999. In the process, I have also been trying to answer that question.
To answer that question, we have to travel to the Dead Sea; a large body of water that gets as close as a mere 13 miles (21 km.) from the City of Jerusalem where Jesus died.
The muds of the Dead Sea record earthquakes. Normally sediments accumulate in the Dead Sea layer by layer leaving a steadily growing thickness of Dead Sea mud. But, during earthquakes, the top layer of the Dead Sea mud deforms

http://www.deadseaquake.info/was-there- ... esus-died/

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According to Discovery News, geologist Jefferson Williams of Supersonic Geophysical and colleagues Markus Schwab and Achim Brauer of the German Research Center for Geosciences, analyzed earthquake activity in the area by studying three cores from the Ein Gedi Spa beach.

The research confirmed that two major earthquakes hit the area specified, one during the period between 26 BCE and 36 CE, and could be the one referred to in the Gospel of Matthew.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/2 ... 46351.html

Roman historian Plegon:

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In the 4th year of the 202nd Olympiad, there was a great eclipse of the Sun, greater than had ever been known before, for at the 6th hour the day was changed into night and the stars were seen in the heavens. An earthquake occurred in Bythinia and overthrew a great part of the city of Nicaea

"The first Olympiad was held in 776 BC - Each Olympiad is 4 years - The fourth year of the 202 Olympiad is 32 AD"

Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1:

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Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth hour to the ninth-manifestly that one of which we speak. But what has an eclipse in common with an earthquake, the rending rocks, and the resurrection of the dead, and so great a perturbation throughout the universe? Surely no such event as this is recorded for a long period. But it was a darkness induced by God, because the Lord happened then to suffer. And calculation makes out that the period of 70 weeks, as noted in Daniel, is completed at this time.


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PostPosted: 14 Feb 2014 11:02 pm 
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TCJ wrote:
Recalling this new item...

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Was there really an earthquake on the day that Jesus died?


Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1:

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Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth hour to the ninth-manifestly that one of which we speak. But what has an eclipse in common with an earthquake, the rending rocks, and the resurrection of the dead, and so great a perturbation throughout the universe? Surely no such event as this is recorded for a long period. But it was a darkness induced by God, because the Lord happened then to suffer. And calculation makes out that the period of 70 weeks, as noted in Daniel, is completed at this time.


Reading your quotes about the possibility of an earthquake on that day, particularly the one above, referring to a great pertubation throughout the universe, made me think about this nice part of Wales that I like, in the south-east, around Abergavenny; one of the Black Mountains, called Ysgryd Fawr, or Skirrid, or sometimes Holy Mountain. According to local legend, this great cleft in the hillside you can sort of see below (it's much more noticeable from down on the road), apparently came about because part of the mountain got broken off at the time of the crucifixion of Jesus.

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This is the mountain's main elevation.

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Ysgryd apparently means something that has shivered or been shattered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ysgyryd_Fawr


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scientists set out to find whether the pattern of 'bloodstains' on the Turin Shroud show the flow of blood from a crucified person. By simulating different positions of crucifixion they worked out that the man wrapped in the legendary cloth must have been crucified in a Y-shape position.....

yes, i know it's the daily mail but.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... ought.html


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PostPosted: 23 Apr 2014 4:33 pm 
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hotspur wrote:
It appears that the fibre samples used for the analysis were taken from the same area of cloth used for the carbon dating done in 1988. See the last paragraph:

http://theshroudofturin.blogspot.com.au ... s-not.html


Those that discredit the carbon dating results say that the part of the shroud where the samples were taken from was a replacement part used to repair the shroud in the 13th century.

If this is the case, then this same argument can be used to discredit the results of the Fanti tests.

The following gives a few more details about the Fanti et al tests:

http://shroudstory.com/2013/03/27/giuli ... nd-220-ad/


Awesome article Hot Spur and interesting the results

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