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PostPosted: 03 Apr 2017 12:27 pm 
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i dont mean to insult you either Sheila, i know your mind is greater - i was just thinking sometimes ..... 8)


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Sheila wrote:
One day the source ran with brick dust & fragments...where were the bricks coming from ?


This.

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Barbarian Storm wrote:
Sheila wrote:
One day the source ran with brick dust & fragments...where were the bricks coming from ?


This.


The brick debris was found in Ravin A, at a vertical height of one hundred meters above the road.


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PostPosted: 04 Apr 2017 9:36 am 
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Did I get this right?

Or are the ravines more above the Bains Doux? Just to the west of it?

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PostPosted: 04 Apr 2017 3:48 pm 
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A and B are correct Barbarian Storm, as you have shown on the map


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PostPosted: 04 Apr 2017 6:14 pm 
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Some photos from the path above the ravines and near, not as artistic as the photos from the OP.
Not very much to see, but perhaps more than meets the eye at first.

Laaaarge blocks on top of small ones?
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PostPosted: 04 Apr 2017 6:16 pm 
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Those ravines are interesting spots.
Between them, one will even find some more or less flat land, halfway up.

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PostPosted: 04 Apr 2017 7:20 pm 
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If you follow the A ravin towards Cabanasse you will cross a Roman pathway.. something like 50 meters below La Cabanasse if I remember correctly. It is years back I examined this ravin. I think to remember to have even seen a respective sign saying that you reached an old Roman pathway...


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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2017 6:52 am 
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And if there happens to be 120 meters of paving slabs from this road missing...you might find what's left of them re-laid with cement in the actual ravine itself.


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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2017 6:05 pm 
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Sheila wrote:
And if there happens to be 120 meters of paving slabs from this road missing...you might find what's left of them re-laid with cement in the actual ravine itself.


Really?

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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2017 6:48 pm 
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Well, that's how Fleury stopped the ground waters from the ravine infiltrating the fissures of sandstone & the sponge-like marne layers. He looked at the ravine and it's cascades which had formed a pool in a weak spot of the geological layers and tested his theory.
He flung a sheaf of wheat into this pool in ravine A where the debris of bricks had been traced to and sure enough, eight hours later the bits of wheat had infiltrated the fissure system and appeared at the source of the Bain Doux.

He had to divert the waters of the ravine at this weak point where the cascade had created the pool.
So he laid 120 meters of pavage/flagstones cemented together to form an artificial gully that he then cemented "tuiles creuses" to creat a canalisation on top of these paving stones.

This had the effect of channeling the water along an adjacent parallel route to bypass the porous section of the ravine.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6 ... 0Doux.zoom

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PostPosted: 06 Apr 2017 1:54 pm 
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Sheila wrote:
Well, that's how Fleury stopped the ground waters from the ravine infiltrating the fissures of sandstone & the sponge-like marne layers. He looked at the ravine and it's cascades which had formed a pool in a weak spot of the geological layers and tested his theory.
He flung a sheaf of wheat into this pool in ravine A where the debris of bricks had been traced to and sure enough, eight hours later the bits of wheat had infiltrated the fissure system and appeared at the source of the Bain Doux.

He had to divert the waters of the ravine at this weak point where the cascade had created the pool.
So he laid 120 meters of pavage/flagstones cemented together to form an artificial gully that he then cemented "tuiles creuses" to creat a canalisation on top of these paving stones.

This had the effect of channeling the water along an adjacent parallel route to bypass the porous section of the ravine.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6 ... 0Doux.zoom

diagram page 132


Would this work Fleury has done to protect the baths possibly anwser this question you once asked?
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Jean-Louis Dubosc and his german workforce (all dressed in blue) undertook an immense amount of extremely deep work in the mines of Roc Nègre, the depths he dug to far outnumber the "28m below the surface" as given by Plantard. If Dubosc was only opening up the old mines that already existed there, why did the marquis de Fleury get his knickers in such a twist at every turn ?

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As you rightly point out, Fleury got upset and ordered the mining to stop, citing the fact that Dubosc & co were digging too close to the source of his income (the sources of les Baigns de Regnes) and he was frightened that the waters would be diverted by the pickaxes of the miners.


Was Fleury upset with the mining because of a great secret hidden in the depths, or did the guy really care about the baths enough to petition the mining. Seems to me he put forth alot of effort to keep the waters flowing clean and smooth, and make the baths an enjoyable and profitable experience.


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PostPosted: 06 Apr 2017 5:13 pm 
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Sheila wrote:
Well, that's how Fleury stopped the ground waters from the ravine infiltrating the fissures of sandstone & the sponge-like marne layers. He looked at the ravine and it's cascades which had formed a pool in a weak spot of the geological layers and tested his theory.
He flung a sheaf of wheat into this pool in ravine A where the debris of bricks had been traced to and sure enough, eight hours later the bits of wheat had infiltrated the fissure system and appeared at the source of the Bain Doux.

He had to divert the waters of the ravine at this weak point where the cascade had created the pool.
So he laid 120 meters of pavage/flagstones cemented together to form an artificial gully that he then cemented "tuiles creuses" to creat a canalisation on top of these paving stones.

This had the effect of channeling the water along an adjacent parallel route to bypass the porous section of the ravine.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6 ... 0Doux.zoom

diagram page 132


Would that really have effected the Bain Doux? It's quite some distance to ravine A.

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PostPosted: 06 Apr 2017 6:02 pm 
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The debris from the bale of wheat that M. de Fleury flung into the pool in Ravine A took 8 hours to appear at the source de Bains Doux.
That's what it says.

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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2017 2:49 am 
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Sheila wrote:
The debris from the bale of wheat that M. de Fleury flung into the pool in Ravine A took 8 hours to appear at the source de Bains Doux.
That's what it says.

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Did the ravine A stream have another course originally?

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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2017 6:51 am 
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Did the ravine A stream have another course originally?


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Ravine A has always been Ravine A, look at the depth of it.
It's called ruisseau du Carlat on the old maps. This ruisseau has two branches that conjoin into one.


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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2017 3:34 pm 
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I feel stupid, but I have difficulties to understand how to read that last graphics.
What does it show, which way to look at it?

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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2017 3:55 pm 
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Ravine A on the left & Ravine B on the right.
top of the ravine is at the top.

X - X is the section cut through relating to the diagram on the next page.

a - b is the 120 meters of canalisation made of hollow tiles cemented onto paving stones and placed in the most permeable section of the ravine. The stream water collects in a pool at 'a' and is channeled down to 'b' thereby not allowing the water to collect in pools and be soaked up by the sponge like layer of rock.
The lower sections of this canal was repaired after Fleury's death and replaced in wood.

r - s is a separate parallel fossé/ditch dug to channel away the waters from the aforementioned danger section.

c - d is a channel no bigger than a furrow to help drain water that was accumulating in a smaller hollow next to the ravine.

m - n is another fossé.


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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2017 3:58 pm 
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2 Ravines.
3 Ditches.
120 meters of flagstones & tiles (and repaired in wood) to make a sluice/aqueduct to channel and keep the water out of that section of Ravine A completely.


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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2017 3:59 pm 
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And don't anyone feel stupid, it's not easy to fathom.

I'll find the next diagram X - X

it'll probably make more sense now that I come to think of it.

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There, that makes more sense - not :lol:


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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2017 5:48 pm 
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Yes, thank you. That makes it a little clearer 8)

So, all this tells us that the underground - the hillside - is hollow to some degree and contains cavities?
In another words, an area in the hills, high above the valley, has an underground connection to the Bains Doux?

And we don't know if they are natural (<--seems most likely), or manmade?

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PostPosted: 19 Apr 2017 8:37 pm 
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Is close as I could get to the same view as on the drawing.

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PostPosted: 19 Apr 2017 8:44 pm 
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And B:

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PostPosted: 20 Apr 2017 6:21 am 
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Have you ever had a look at the old walls on the opposite bank to the source du Pont ?


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