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PostPosted: 15 Feb 2017 4:40 pm 
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Fontaine du Platane

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F. du Platane seen from Route de Montferrand

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same place from Salz level

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PostPosted: 15 Feb 2017 4:58 pm 
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Wonderful, thank you ever so much dude.

Is it still known as a fontaine ?
Was it ever a Mill.

Could you localise where the source of the water actually is....is it in the wee building with the Velux in the roof ?

Is it the resurgence of a ruisseau souterrain or is there actually a spring or source captée ?
Wonder if it's warm or cold.


So that's where the Jubilee cross is, I thought it was placed higher up the street .


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PostPosted: 15 Feb 2017 5:08 pm 
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Boris, thanks. Those are great. I like the idea of a photo thread also, especially since you have an all access pass. Keep them coming!


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I notice that the wee building has had a second Velux added, there are now two.
The NE corner we see is built of bricks- so not that old.

The original stone Lauzes (thick roughly hewn stone tiles) have been left over the wall pignon and the spare ones have been re-used on the top couple of steps. A fine example of what not to do as they are not thick enough for steps.....you can see the results.
I didn't know they used Lauzes in this area, I wonder if there are more examples of this on the rive droite.

There is great detail in these photos.





The one thing you needed to add to the mix of hot plutonian waters and salty river water, was fresh cold water, for drinking, rinsing, cleaning & cooling.
We know there were canalisation found in lead and brick and that there was an aqueduct (not the size of Mr Storms ones) that came across/or along (?) the river.

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Hmmm.... but where exactly is this Fontaine du Platane situated, in relation to Le forage Yvroux (route de Montferrand) because it's waters are at 33°C.
And it has two forage puits one at 33° and one cold. The pipes are buried & encased in the concrete section you see going across the river just down stream our point of interest.

http://infoterre.brgm.fr/rapports/RP-58623-FR.pdf


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This stone has evidently come from somewhere else.


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Let's look again at the carte géologique and acquaint ourselves with the faultlines.

The South West - North East fault runs through the village.

At it's southern end where it begins, it intersects with the West-East fault that runs under the church grounds.( near the puits Gieules 38°)
This major intersection would have had the Temple complex built over it and where the Oracle would have been sited.

If you follow the fault line we see roughly in a line, the Terrasse of the Grand Hôtel, puits of the source Marie Gastilleur 39.5° found at 15m deep and which slowed down the debit of the Bains de la Reine, cross the river at the Bains Forts 47.5°, Fontaine du Platane ( cold ?), warming the running waters of the original bain de la Reine and up to the forâge Yvroux 33° (which is 1.5 kilometers deep ! and these days is the principle source thermale ) where it joins the northern of the two W-E fault that runs from the Bains Doux 40° and up under the original village and onwards to Montferrand.


There's a lot of grandes pompes used in this neck of the woods

etc etc ....

There's a lot of information to be gleaned just by looking at the bedrock in the river bed and the orientation of it's banks.... exciting stuff for some...but deadly boring for the majority.


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Sheila wrote:
exciting stuff for some...


Fault lines mark gateways into the underworld, as well. Sometimes, at least.

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Sheila wrote:
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This major intersection would have had the Temple complex built over it and where the Oracle would have been sited.


That would make Villeneuve important too.

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And what would have been there before Villeneuve - this Villanova - this "Carthage" ?


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Sheila wrote:
And what would have been there before Villeneuve - this Villanova - this "Carthage" ?


Don't know, but in a valley were nothing is flat, this area is. More or less anyway. There's only a slight tilt upwards.
In fact, Villeneuve is as a large as that flat area in the south of the village next to the water.
It's square shaped, which could be interesting, or not.
It's right below the keep of Montferrand.

Villeneuve is the northern fault line crossing, with the south one being in the village centre.
Most of the village today is located between these 2 points, even though the village has grown some to the south.

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Well one would assume that the Villanova replaced an older model.

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I notice that the ruisseau du Coudal follows exactly the the northern N/S faultline. The fault starts way up at the head of the stream.


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and BTW Sheila ...
You can make speculations, which my position don't permit me to do. Why don't you insist on certain subject you have already opened (?)
-fault lines
-chasm
-catins
-vapours
-Oracle
- Pythia
-Delphi
-Apollo
-Tholos
-volcae*
-aurum tolosanum
-Servillius Scaepio
-Rome
-civil war
-Herod The Great
-Jerusalem
-2nd Temple
-70 AD
-410 AD
-visigoths *
-CIRCUIT* ...

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...END of story (?)

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 Post subject: closed circuit
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The opening line of the Circuit continues from the closing line, making the work a never-ending cycle.


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: )

....I was tempted to add "papillon" and "möbius" but got bored anticipating the uselessness of my initiative...

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Boris Balkan wrote:
and BTW Sheila ...
You can make speculations, which my position don't permit me to do. Why don't you insist on certain subject you have already opened (?)
-fault lines
-chasm
-catins
-vapours
-Oracle
- Pythia
-Delphi
-Apollo
-Tholos
-volcae*
-aurum tolosanum
-Servillius Scaepio
-Rome
-civil war
-Herod The Great
-Jerusalem
-2nd Temple
-70 AD
-410 AD
-visigoths *
-CIRCUIT* ...


I was just thinking of the contradiction of suggesting a "Popular" Roman Bath would house anything coming from the Destruction of The Temple by the Romans.
But now all of sudden it becomes an Apollonian Greek tradition, is that luck or History.

Also wasn't it Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus, that said upon entering the Holy of the Holies in the Second Temple that the sanctuary was empty. And this occurred 63B.C.E.

- Boris Balkan, what position could possibly prevent you from speculating?

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Oh Rain !
as always... you ask the wrong questions.

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Boris Balkan wrote:
Oh Rain !
as always... you ask the wrong questions.


Oh Boris, it was rhetorical question meaning it doesn't need answering. You've already stated your position which is:-

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I presume you have more information on this than me...


in reply to Sheila...

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rain wrote:
Boris Balkan wrote:
Oh Rain !
as always... you ask the wrong questions.


RAIN-Oh Boris, it was rhetorical question meaning it doesn't need answering. You've already stated your position which is:-

Quote:
I presume you have more information on this than me...


RAIN-in reply to Sheila...


VICTOR-Oh,Dieu ! Clever girl (in reply to Rain)

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First problem here is that I don't believe Rennes-les-Bains housed "Popular" Roman Baths.

I think this valley housed something else entirely.


One doesn't find the amount of coinage that's been dug up here (and sold in cartloads) at Roman baths, never mind how popular they were.


We are dealing here with a a Temple complex within a sacred precinct.


Second problem here is L'Or de Toulouse.

Tolosa - where the Tectosages deposited their gold needs questioned.

Tolosensem lacum - The words Lacum and Limnè need to be studied and correctly understood.
We are not dealing with 'sacred lakes' per se.
« laccos », du grec ancien lakkos signifiant cavité, trou, fosse

The concept of the Mundus and it's cover/uncovering needs to be studied apropos of 'holidays for the dead'.

Which Temple d'Apollon in relation to the Tectosages is being meant in this history.
A temple dedicated to Apollo would be consecrated in a specific geological place.
The eagles of Zeus flew north to south & east to west over Delphi and where they crossed the omphalos and Oracle were centered.

Le mot Omphalos signifie ombilic en grec mais il désigne aussi, d'une façon générale, tout ce qui est centre, et plus spécialement le moyeu d'une roue.


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Sheila wrote:

Tolosensem lacum - The words Lacum and Limnè need to be studied and correctly understood.
We are not dealing with 'sacred lakes' per se.
« laccos », du grec ancien lakkos signifiant cavité, trou, fosse


Likely not an above ground lake, possibly a subterranean lake or a specific "pit" for storage, so to speak.


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CHARLOT – Conduire une mécanique quand on n’est pas certain de se conduire soi-même, est-ce bien
sérieux ?

ANNE – « Connais-toi toi-même » a dit Platon, « auto-école » en bon français
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( Plato said Know thyself, "auto-school" in proper French)






Inside the VI century BC temple of Apollo at Delphi was the adyton, the "do not enter" section of the Delphic oracle and seat of the Pythia.

The temple had the statement "Know thyself", one of the Delphic maxims, carved into it.


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Le puits du mundus - fosse circulaire destinée aux offrandes aux divinités souterraines, dont l'emplacement est défini par le rite de templum du bornage de fondation des villes.

Ce puits, défini par un axe vertical, équilibre le cardo et le decumanus.


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Wouldnt it be a problem that the Grand Rue, or major parts of it, was built in semi modern times? Rock covered large parts of west river bank north of centre ville.

Therefore, would parts of todays Grand Rue still have formed the Cardo or are we mistaking the real ancient Cardo for something else, or all traces of it lost?

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