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PostPosted: 19 Dec 2016 6:37 am 
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You're missing the point of this thread.

After the pagan greeting for this time of the year I wrote the words

Plantard revisited. Who wrote:

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"The center of Rennes-les-Bains is in the place called by the Gauls themselves, THE CIRCLE ." This quote from Boudet on page 246 is indeed correct since the source of the Circle is located near the Devil's chair, so he wanted to illustrate it very well in the church of Rennes-Le-Château by reproducing near the entrance to a devil in his right hand forming a circle. "
It is translated obviously Plantard actually wrote LE CERCLE

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He wrote this as a forward in the book that contains the map drawn by Edmund Boudet at the back.

If you want to disregard the magic here perhaps I should include this:

A French author Gaston Jourdanne in his book Contribution to the Folklore of the Aude made the following observation whilst Saunière and Henry Boudet was still alive in 1900.

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“In the Aude, the peasants rather believe in the malignant spirit, the fairies and the underground geniuses than with the Virgin and the Angels"

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PostPosted: 19 Dec 2016 7:10 am 
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Thanks for leading us back to the thread, roscoe.

And now ?


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the peasants rather believe in the malignant spirit, the fairies and the underground geniuses

Sauniere and Boudet were not peasants ....


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bergeredearcadie wrote:
the peasants rather believe in the malignant spirit, the fairies and the underground geniuses

Sauniere and Boudet were not peasants ....


Their congregations were and Sauniere's salary was 900 Francs per year (and nothing whilst he was suspended)

And remember that they were in Cathar Country, where the THIRD language spoken was French.

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PostPosted: 20 Dec 2016 9:36 am 
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Sauniere's salary was 900 Francs per year (and nothing whilst he was suspended)

I did not mean financially.

I meant they [Sauniere and Boudet] were well educated and could write etc as compared to your term 'peasants' - those
who probably could not read or write, and did not have a good education behind them. Makes it more likely that 'peasants' believed in magical folklore tales etc, and less likely that
priests did.

Having said that, im sure history is littered with well educated people who nevertheless
believed in some weird crap.


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Having said that, im sure history is littered with well educated people who nevertheless believed in some weird crap.

Indeed! :roll:


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bergeredearcadie wrote:
Sauniere's salary was 900 Francs per year (and nothing whilst he was suspended)

I did not mean financially.

I meant they [Sauniere and Boudet] were well educated and could write etc as compared to your term 'peasants' - those
who probably could not read or write, and did not have a good education behind them. Makes it more likely that 'peasants' believed in magical folklore tales etc, and less likely that
priests did.

Having said that, im sure history is littered with well educated people who nevertheless
believed in some weird crap.


Odd viewpoint. Isn't any belief a folklore tale? So wouldn't BS and Boudet be just as culpable as the uneducated peasants in believing in stuff that is unprovable? And are you saying that all the people that 'believed' in a pantheon for hundreds of years in Egypt, Greece, Rome were then 'uneducated'?

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PostPosted: 20 Dec 2016 3:27 pm 
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Wombat+sandie wrote:
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Having said that, im sure history is littered with well educated people who nevertheless believed in some weird crap.

Indeed! :roll:


This weird crap was our belief since thousands or hundred thousand of years and I think, it worked good.

Since we became romans and later on christians , the world changes,-but not in a good direction.

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PostPosted: 20 Dec 2016 4:54 pm 
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Somewhere else:
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In front of the grotto area is a rectangular bath area full of water and some debris entered by three steps measuring 15' 6" long and 8' wide. From photographs taken early last century and the 1873 O/S map it is possible to gain a good impression of how it looked over 100 years ago. The photograph reveals the existence of a circular structure with an arched entrance.


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Le Cercle ...and circular Roman baths.

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"On ne peut assez regretter que les noms des sources du Pont, du Cercle et des eaux chaudes, soient complétement perdus"

"One can not regret enough that the names of the source du Pont, source du Cercle and the hot waters, are completely lost."

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Sheila wrote:
"On ne peut assez regretter que les noms des sources du Pont, du Cercle et des eaux chaudes, soient complétement perdus"

"One can not regret enough that the names of the source du Pont, source du Cercle and the hot waters, are completely lost."

Abbé Boudet. LVLC.


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The back of his book.

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PostPosted: 21 Dec 2016 10:50 am 
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Boudet is saying that the original names are lost.


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PostPosted: 21 Dec 2016 11:20 am 
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Sheila wrote:
Boudet is saying that the original names are lost.


That's one tricky thing to write.

If the names were indeed lost, how could Boudet have known that there once were other, original names, for these locations?
How could one know that something was called something else before, without knowing what it was called?

I guess Boudet would just have to assume, judging from finds in the valley and other forms of knowledge. He therefore knew that the current names were most likely new ones.

Which suggests that he might have understood that there was a period of interruption, destruction?, disorder, depopulation when civilization in this valley came to a halt.
Do you follow?

But I still wonder when people started to call Le Cercle Le Cerlce, and why...

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PostPosted: 22 Dec 2016 5:35 am 
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Sheila wrote:
Boudet is saying that the original names are lost.


But this

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is where LE CERCLE
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THE DEVILS ARMCHAIR

and is indicated by Plantard thus

Quote:
"The center of Rennes-les-Bains is in the place called by the Gauls themselves, THE CIRCLE ." This quote from Boudet on page 246 is indeed correct since the source of the Circle is located near the Devil's chair, so he wanted to illustrate it very well in the church of Rennes-Le-Château by reproducing near the entrance to a devil in his right hand forming a circle. "


Plantard says LE CERCLE of course being French an all.

Here in the back of the very book he was prefacing.
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A Devil who looks like he has lost his Fauteuil in the church. It should be roughly behind his right hand
The devils right hand forming a CIRCLE where this appears
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A "place called by the Gauls themselves, THE CIRCLE"

Probably in line with the phrase

LA VRAIE LANGUE CELTIQUE - Next to Rennes-les-Bains


The Gauls being CELTS an all

And here is page 246 from Boudet's book

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"Le point central du cromleck des REDONES"

A tribe from Celtogalatia Lugdunensis of Ptolemy specifically Brittany where you'll find a place called RENNES

Brittany being the birthplace of François-René de Chateaubriand the man who placed this

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near Poussin's grave

This image when he had 300+ other works to choose from.

Brittany is also where you'll find Cathédrale Saint-Samson de Dol-de-Bretagne

THE GRAIL CATHEDRAL

After the French Revolution the Cathedral became known as

The Temple of Reason

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PostPosted: 22 Dec 2016 11:11 am 
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Another idea:
The name "Le Cercle" could also come from a sinkhole or Aven.
But how does one hide or remove a sinkhole?

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Origine : du latin circulus = cercle

Signification : fond de vallon semi-circulaire, rocheux ou glaciaire, aux versants abrupts ou bordé de hautes murailles rocheuses


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Sheila wrote:
Origine : du latin circulus = cercle

Signification : fond de vallon semi-circulaire, rocheux ou glaciaire, aux versants abrupts ou bordé de hautes murailles rocheuses


Isn't that more properly referred to as a cirque rather than a cercle?

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I'll re-phrase.
The origin of the word cercle is from the latin circulus which is the diminutive of circus.

Cercle : Du latin circulus, diminutif de circus.


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Sheila wrote:
I'll re-phrase.
The origin of the word cercle is from the latin circulus which is the diminutive of circus.

Cercle : Du latin circulus, diminutif de circus.


I was just pointing out that if one were highlighting that specific type of geological feature, it would be cirque:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirque

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" le cercle est l’aire à battre le blé "

Aire de battage .... A Threshing floor.


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Sheila wrote:
" le cercle est l’aire à battre le blé "

Aire de battage .... A Threshing floor.


With a nearby (underground?) silo?

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roscoe wrote:
And here is page 246 from Boudet's book

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I want to point out (as I did years ago) that a first and simple code is hidden at following pages:

41 - 82 - 123 - 164 - 205 - 246 - 287.

Why 41? -> 3 - 5 - 7 - 11 - 13 - 17 - 19 - 23 - 29 - 31 - 37 - 41. (number 12)


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Sheila wrote:
I'll re-phrase.
The origin of the word cercle is from the latin circulus which is the diminutive of circus.

Cercle : Du latin circulus, diminutif de circus.


So what is the meaning when BOUDET says in the context of his book and this thread -

"Le point central du cromleck des REDONES"

What does the word cromleck mean in the context of the phrase -

La Vraie Langue Celtique?

Since Boudet says that the Gaulois are Celtic.

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The REDONES?
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The Redones or Rhedones (Greek: Ῥήδονες, Ῥηΐδονες) are an ancient tribe of Gaul, in the Celtogalatia Lugdunensis of Ptolemy (ii. 8. § 12), placed by him west of the Senones and along the Liger (modern Loire River). Their capital was Condate (modern Rennes). But other authors contend that the Redones were not on the Loire. Pliny (iv. 18) enumerates the Redones among the peoples of Gallia Lugdunensis: Diablindi, Rhedones, Turones. After the bloody fight on the Sambre (57 BCE) Julius Caesar sent Publius Licinius Crassus with a single legion into the country of the Veneti, Redones, and other Celtic tribes between the Seine River and the Loire, all of whom submitted. (B. G. ii. 34.) Caesar here enumerates the Redones among the maritime states whose territory extends to the Atlantic Ocean. In 52 BCE the Redones with their neighbors sent a contingent to attack Caesar during the siege of Alesia. In this passage also (B. G. vii. 75), the Redones are enumerated among the states bordering on the ocean, which in the Celtic language were called the Armoric States. D'Anville supposes that their territory extended beyond the limits of the diocese of Rennes into the dioceses of St. Malo and Dol-de-Bretagne. Their chief town, Rennes, is the capital of the départment of Ille-et-Vilaine.
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and why did Boudet include them is this chapter entitled
SIGNIFICATION RELIGIEUSE DU CROMLECK < DES MENHIRS< DOLMENS ET ROULERS.?

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In case it all gets missed in all this obfuscation

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From Plantard in the preface of the reprint of La Vraie Langue Celtique et le Cromleck de Rennes-les-Bains

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"The center of Rennes-les-Bains is in the place called by the Gauls themselves, THE CIRCLE ." This quote from Boudet on page 246 is indeed correct since the source of the Circle is located near the Devil's chair, so he wanted to illustrate it very well in the church of Rennes-Le-Château by reproducing near the entrance to a devil in his right hand forming a circle. "


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Edmund Boudet calls the red blocks at Le Cercle on the map above - Menhirs renversés

You will note that only the Fauteuil du Diable and a sacred well are at this point now.

Just a quick note that the original La Vraie Langue Celtique (without Plantard's preface) was written in 1886. Before Saunière found all his "treasures" and one year after Sauniere was appointed Cure of Rennes le Chateau. 1886 was the same year Saunière was temporarily transferred to the Seminary of Narbonne for delivering anti-Republican, right-wing sermons during the elections.

Many objects made by Monsieur Giscard of Toulouse was installed in 1896. However there was no mention of the font including The Devil in this contract. However the four angels were mentioned. But the Devil was received on 30 June 1897, 11 years after Boudet wrote La Vraie Langue Celtique.

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