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PostPosted: 23 Dec 2016 6:52 am 
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And here is page 246 from Boudet's book

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I want to point out (as I did years ago) that a first and simple code is hidden at following pages:

41 - 82 - 123 - 164 - 205 - 246 - 287.

Why 41? -> 3 - 5 - 7 - 11 - 13 - 17 - 19 - 23 - 29 - 31 - 37 - 41. (number 12)


Plantard also says in his preface -

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A first reading of The True Celtic Language Abbot seems bathed in delirium, he addresses the conditions under which Ezekiel took part in the founding of the first temple of Jerusalem, a news item published in a Spanish newspaper or to How the Gauls took it to mean that the stomach of the camel is still full of water. The book, however, is a look that prevents the rejection and cast doubt in the reader's mind. The Boudet playing with words, encourage him to wonder, to look for coding. There is no repetition itself, but an insistence on certain themes like thunder and lightning, the door opens the sixth day ...

I once had the folly to quote some random puns suggested that reading this book. My interlocutor, the gathering, it was concluded that the key words. He now sells by subscription, by its dedication pay more autograph. Even on the frontispiece featuring a "G adorned with plumes of Pan," It is difficult to accept that the work of Boudet may appear as a kind of inner tube made ​​entirely of patches. "The True Celtic Language and the Cromlech of Rennes-les-Bains "has a charm, this is due to the constant presence of the author in the work, either - but it's the same - a continuous and flawless coding. There no keyword for sale or sesame to open the door of the treasure of the Abbé Henri Boudet.

To understand the secret of Boudet, the reader should be in the days when he lived at the turn of the century. It is not necessary to be a historian to read the book, but to dream about the conditions under which it was written.

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PostPosted: 23 Dec 2016 10:21 pm 
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Eginolf wrote:
roscoe wrote:
And here is page 246 from Boudet's book

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I want to point out (as I did years ago) that a first and simple code is hidden at following pages:

41 - 82 - 123 - 164 - 205 - 246 - 287.

Why 41? -> 3 - 5 - 7 - 11 - 13 - 17 - 19 - 23 - 29 - 31 - 37 - 41. (number 12)


Indeed, why 41?

Add the 12 number (3 - 5 - 7 - 11 - 13 - 17 - 19 - 23 - 29 - 31 - 37 - 41) and you get 236 not 246.

What is the pattern in the 12 numbers? It's an inconsistent difference pattern: 2, 2, 2, 4, 2, 4, 2, 4, 6, 4, 6, 4. which equals 42 not 41.

Perhaps Eginolf could help me out here?

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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2016 12:43 am 
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Wombat wrote:
Eginolf wrote:
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And here is page 246 from Boudet's book

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I want to point out (as I did years ago) that a first and simple code is hidden at following pages:

41 - 82 - 123 - 164 - 205 - 246 - 287.

Why 41? -> 3 - 5 - 7 - 11 - 13 - 17 - 19 - 23 - 29 - 31 - 37 - 41. (number 12)


Indeed, why 41?

Add the 12 number (3 - 5 - 7 - 11 - 13 - 17 - 19 - 23 - 29 - 31 - 37 - 41) and you get 236 not 246.

What is the pattern in the 12 numbers? It's an inconsistent difference pattern: 2, 2, 2, 4, 2, 4, 2, 4, 6, 4, 6, 4. which equals 42 not 41.

Perhaps Eginolf could help me out here?

Anybody?


I dont get it, Wombat. You can divide 42 but 41 you cant divide with anything but 1 to get a number.

Eginolfs sequence use prime numbers.

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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2016 3:11 am 
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Quote:
41 - 82 - 123 - 164 - 205 - 246 - 287.

Why 41? -> 3 - 5 - 7 - 11 - 13 - 17 - 19 - 23 - 29 - 31 - 37 - 41. (number 12)


Yes so:

Count through the first 11 odd primes (11 is also the 4th odd prime. It is made of the first and third odd prime (which makes 4 based on adding indexes) + 1 (the atomic number)). You then get the 12th odd prime: 41 next.

11 + 29 + the Atomic number = 41

11 = 4th odd prime, 29 = 9th odd prime, 11th odd prime + 9th odd prime = 40 + atomic number = 41 = 12th odd prime.


Once we have 41:

7
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41 X 2 = 82
41 + 82 = 123
41 X 3 = 123
41 + 123 = 164
41 + 164 = 205
41 + 205 = 246
41 + 246 = 287

5
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82 X 2 = 164
82 + 164 = 246
82 + 123 = 205
82 X 3 = 246
82 + 205 = 287

2
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123 X 2 = 246
123 + 164 = 287


Interesting, non? Certainly fun mathematics game that plays with the prime numbers even of nothing to it.


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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2016 6:13 am 
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gladium wrote:
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41 - 82 - 123 - 164 - 205 - 246 - 287.

Why 41? -> 3 - 5 - 7 - 11 - 13 - 17 - 19 - 23 - 29 - 31 - 37 - 41. (number 12)


Yes so:

Count through the first 11 odd primes (11 is also the 4th odd prime. It is made of the first and third odd prime (which makes 4 based on adding indexes) + 1 (the atomic number)). You then get the 12th odd prime: 41 next.

11 + 29 + the Atomic number = 41

11 = 4th odd prime, 29 = 9th odd prime, 11th odd prime + 9th odd prime = 40 + atomic number = 41 = 12th odd prime.


Once we have 41:

7
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41 X 2 = 82
41 + 82 = 123
41 X 3 = 123
41 + 123 = 164
41 + 164 = 205
41 + 205 = 246
41 + 246 = 287

5
-----
82 X 2 = 164
82 + 164 = 246
82 + 123 = 205
82 X 3 = 246
82 + 205 = 287

2
-----
123 X 2 = 246
123 + 164 = 287


Interesting, non? Certainly fun mathematics game that plays with the prime numbers even of nothing to it.

Excellent. Excellent.

We should call it Boudet's sieve.

Thank you Gladium.

Thank you Egi.

What a nice gift.

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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2016 11:44 am 
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The hint to no. 41 came from Irmine, IIRC.
SHe also said that the 7th prime number 19 is of some importance in the RLC riddle. I still don't know why. Irmine stopped talking. According to Irmine only a FACSIMILE copy of the original will lead us anywhere. This is why the Belfond edition was published in 1978. The Belisane copy is also a facsimile, but lacks a preface brimming with important clues.

Remember the number 681 in the parchments?

The square number of 41 is 1.681. You only gotta let out the "atomic number" ... and get 681.

If you reverse 1681 you get 1891: the year that Sauniere put on his "Mission"-stele in the garden.

Also: in the year 681 there was a catholic council where the power of the Merovingians was declared "finito": put to an end.

And: If you put numbers to the "Bergere pas de tentation"-sentence (A=1, B=2, ..., X=22, etc.) then you'll get: 681.
Coincidence? Pas du toutes.

If you connect the informations on those 7 pages "41 - 82 - 123 - 164 - 205 - 246 - 287" in LVLC ... you'll get a first picture.

In German:
Auf 41 geht es um das Grabmal!
Auf 82 geht es um die punische Sprache!
Auf 123 geht es um den Mondaufgang, um den Midi (Süden), um einen Hase und eine Quelle.
Auf 164 geht es um Denkmäler aus Stein, um die Druiden, um Gold, um die Rhedonen, um Rennes.
Auf 205 geht es um Chlodwig und um eine heilige Vase von besonderer Schönheit! Vielleicht die Krönungsampulle Chlodwigs.
Auf 246 geht es um den Symbolismus des Kreises, um das Zentrum des Cromlecks, den Ort namens Cercle!
Auf 287 geht es um die Mistel, die auf der Eiche wächst, also um Druidenwissen!

On page 41 of LVLC you find: "Tu agiras selon ta sagesse, et tu ne laisseras pas ses cheveux blancs descendre en paix dans le séjour des morts." A passage of the bible.

I'm not saying that this way of the prime numbers is the way to decode Boudet's book. Some clue to decoding is to be found on page 230, first section. There is a certain homophone.

BTW.
People who wrote about a temple or tomb near RLC or RLB:
1: Gerard Thom - discusses a Temple and necropolis
2: Christian Doumergue - discusses a Temple and necropolis
3: Georges Boyer - discusses the whereabout of a necroplis
4: Henri Boudet - writes of a tomb and/or necropolis in the vicinity of RLB
5: Berenger Sauniere - talks of a discovery of a tomb
6: P. de Cherisey - talks of a site which sounds underground and houses the tomb of the Grand Monarch
7: Gerard de Sede - refers to the tomb of the Grand Monarch (but GdS only copied P. de Cherisey)
8: "Le Serpent Rouge" - talks of a tomb and an important burial
9: Bigou Parchment - tells us: I Begin here: I search for the secret Temple which i guard.
10: Silvain - ...
11: Abbé Delmas - ...

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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2016 3:23 pm 
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Danke fuer die Infos Egi.

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PostPosted: 24 Dec 2016 11:18 pm 
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Eginolf wrote:
The hint to no. 41 came from Irmine, IIRC.
SHe also said that the 7th prime number 19 is of some importance in the RLC riddle. I still don't know why. Irmine stopped talking. According to Irmine only a FACSIMILE copy of the original will lead us anywhere. This is why the Belfond edition was published in 1978. The Belisane copy is also a facsimile, but lacks a preface brimming with important clues.

Remember the number 681 in the parchments?

The square number of 41 is 1.681. You only gotta let out the "atomic number" ... and get 681.

If you reverse 1681 you get 1891: the year that Sauniere put on his "Mission"-stele in the garden.

Also: in the year 681 there was a catholic council where the power of the Merovingians was declared "finito": put to an end.

And: If you put numbers to the "Bergere pas de tentation"-sentence (A=1, B=2, ..., X=22, etc.) then you'll get: 681.
Coincidence? Pas du toutes.

If you connect the informations on those 7 pages "41 - 82 - 123 - 164 - 205 - 246 - 287" in LVLC ... you'll get a first picture.

In German:
Auf 41 geht es um das Grabmal!
Auf 82 geht es um die punische Sprache!
Auf 123 geht es um den Mondaufgang, um den Midi (Süden), um einen Hase und eine Quelle.
Auf 164 geht es um Denkmäler aus Stein, um die Druiden, um Gold, um die Rhedonen, um Rennes.
Auf 205 geht es um Chlodwig und um eine heilige Vase von besonderer Schönheit! Vielleicht die Krönungsampulle Chlodwigs.
Auf 246 geht es um den Symbolismus des Kreises, um das Zentrum des Cromlecks, den Ort namens Cercle!
Auf 287 geht es um die Mistel, die auf der Eiche wächst, also um Druidenwissen!

On page 41 of LVLC you find: "Tu agiras selon ta sagesse, et tu ne laisseras pas ses cheveux blancs descendre en paix dans le séjour des morts." A passage of the bible.

I'm not saying that this way of the prime numbers is the way to decode Boudet's book. Some clue to decoding is to be found on page 230, first section. There is a certain homophone.

BTW.
People who wrote about a temple or tomb near RLC or RLB:
1: Gerard Thom - discusses a Temple and necropolis
2: Christian Doumergue - discusses a Temple and necropolis
3: Georges Boyer - discusses the whereabout of a necroplis
4: Henri Boudet - writes of a tomb and/or necropolis in the vicinity of RLB
5: Berenger Sauniere - talks of a discovery of a tomb
6: P. de Cherisey - talks of a site which sounds underground and houses the tomb of the Grand Monarch
7: Gerard de Sede - refers to the tomb of the Grand Monarch (but GdS only copied P. de Cherisey)
8: "Le Serpent Rouge" - talks of a tomb and an important burial
9: Bigou Parchment - tells us: I Begin here: I search for the secret Temple which i guard.
10: Silvain - ...
11: Abbé Delmas - ...

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Happy holidays to you all

I mean it.

I'm now off because the best of this thread has now gone. I have learned this through the years here.

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I'm now off because the best of this thread has now gone.

The subject changed. So what? 8)


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Seems ridiculous to imagine that anything substantive is to be derived from superimposing the Boudet map over one particular photo of a 3D sculpture, based on a fanciful "pareidoliac" impression of a similarity between the two. I mean, try it with any OTHER photo of the same sculpture, with all the possible variations in angle, aperture, etc etc etc, and see how the supposed correspondences shift. I have a hard enough time buying all the overlays of maps and such on 2D paintings. (Leaving aside the question of why people would conceal/reveal information in this way, and for whom, etc.)

I could maybe, possibly, provisionally accept that there might be something in the alleged correspondences between the "Devil's Armchair" and the nearby Source du Cercle, and the Devil statue with his odd posture and the "circle" he makes with his hand - assuming that the R-le-C church decorations actually involve some sort of "wink wink" reference to local landmarks for some reason - but the correspondence of this with the Boudet map strikes me as pure coincidence.

BTW, there are no existing photos of the statue with its alleged original pitchfork? I notice it's not shown in the photo Saunière used for his postcard.


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But the stuff about the primes is most interesting.


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Long time ago I showed you how Et in Arcadia Ego is 681.
Important? Probably not. But clever.
I think it was a way for the creator of the code to connect it to the famous painting.

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Seems ridiculous to imagine that anything substantive is to be derived from superimposing the Boudet map over one particular photo of a 3D sculpture, based on a fanciful "pareidoliac" impression of a similarity between the two. I mean, try it with any OTHER photo of the same sculpture, with all the possible variations in angle, aperture, etc etc etc, and see how the supposed correspondences shift. I have a hard enough time buying all the overlays of maps and such on 2D paintings. (Leaving aside the question of why people would conceal/reveal information in this way, and for whom, etc.)

I could maybe, possibly, provisionally accept that there might be something in the alleged correspondences between the "Devil's Armchair" and the nearby Source du Cercle, and the Devil statue with his odd posture and the "circle" he makes with his hand - assuming that the R-le-C church decorations actually involve some sort of "wink wink" reference to local landmarks for some reason - but the correspondence of this with the Boudet map strikes me as pure coincidence.

BTW, there are no existing photos of the statue with its alleged original pitchfork? I notice it's not shown in the photo Saunière used for his postcard.


Of course you can't line a 2D map up against a sculpture, I'd say it's there for people to laugh at gullibility of people that think you can. Let's face it even a two year old don't try and a ride picture of a bicycle.
Look at the people that try desperately to defend it - it gives you a clue.

Here's the thing, Roscoe copies idiotic paranoia from other sites, so where did this come from? I do remember reading that the map in the book had a picture of a devil's head to line up another marker at the top. It's normally cropped. So that would be where it would come from. If it's not the devil in the Church which clearly it's not, it means something else.
What's the other line we always reference?

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Gnostic by Nature wrote:
But the stuff about the primes is most interesting.


I wouldn't get carried away because anyone can choose primes then say it's a code. Irmine esp. is there to manipulate information concerning Plantard. He puts little suggestions in people's ears through P.M's and he's very good at manipulating ciphers.
It doesn't say much that the people publishing the lies, they do nothing to check out their sources or research before posting the garbage.

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Gnostic by Nature wrote:
Seems ridiculous to imagine that anything substantive is to be derived from superimposing the Boudet map over one particular photo of a 3D sculpture, based on a fanciful "pareidoliac" impression of a similarity between the two. I mean, try it with any OTHER photo of the same sculpture, with all the possible variations in angle, aperture, etc etc etc, and see how the supposed correspondences shift. I have a hard enough time buying all the overlays of maps and such on 2D paintings. (Leaving aside the question of why people would conceal/reveal information in this way, and for whom, etc.)

I could maybe, possibly, provisionally accept that there might be something in the alleged correspondences between the "Devil's Armchair" and the nearby Source du Cercle, and the Devil statue with his odd posture and the "circle" he makes with his hand - assuming that the R-le-C church decorations actually involve some sort of "wink wink" reference to local landmarks for some reason - but the correspondence of this with the Boudet map strikes me as pure coincidence.

BTW, there are no existing photos of the statue with its alleged original pitchfork? I notice it's not shown in the photo Saunière used for his postcard.


So this went WHOOOSH!!!! Right over your head.

Quote:
"The center of Rennes-les-Bains is in the place called by the Gauls themselves, THE CIRCLE ." This quote from Boudet on page 246 is indeed correct since the source of the Circle is located near the Devil's chair, so he wanted to illustrate it very well in the church of Rennes-Le-Château by reproducing near the entrance to a devil in his right hand forming a circle. "


The words of Pierre Plantard in the preface of the reprint of the very book we are discussing.

Here is page 246 for your perusal

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This appears in Boudet's book in the chapter entitled SIGNIFICATION RELIGIEUSE DU CROMLECK < DES MENHIRS< DOLMENS ET ROULERS.

Your attention is drawn to the title of this thread (ignore the pagan reference to yuletide )

We didn't superimposed anything over anything Plantard did and Boudet mentioned Le Cercle on page 246 as being the centre of the very Cromlech that formed the title of his book.

Most of us had been discussing the fact that the Devil in the church lacked an armchair long before all the Da Vinci Code bandwagon jockeys pitched up and began making it all up for profit.

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