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PostPosted: 08 Dec 2015 4:06 pm 
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bergeredearcadie wrote:
Peyra Olla as a stone pot

But in the context of what Fedie is talking about it doesnt really make that much sense?


There's a huge amount of rock eroded by water in Terres Rouge. That's what makes sense.
Some of the eroded valleys there look like giants cups or bowls – with only narrow passages out - when you stand on the uppermost ridge edges and look down.

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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2015 3:21 pm 
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[quote]Antiquity[edit]

Main article: Olla (Roman pot)

The Latin word olla or aulla (also aula) meant a very similar type of pot in Ancient Roman pottery, used for cooking and storage as well as a funerary urn to hold the ashes from cremation of bodies. Later, in Celtic Gaul, the olla became a symbol of the god Sucellus, who reigned over agriculture.[/quote]


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PostPosted: 09 Dec 2015 4:50 pm 
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Crimson_Ghost wrote:
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Main article: Olla (Roman pot)

The Latin word olla or aulla (also aula) meant a very similar type of pot in Ancient Roman pottery, used for cooking and storage as well as a funerary urn to hold the ashes from cremation of bodies. Later, in Celtic Gaul, the olla became a symbol of the god Sucellus, who reigned over agriculture.[/quote]


The Serres/Peyrolles area is a very green place full of agricultivation and life.
And just to the east, it's very opposite: The wasteland of the almost dead Terres Rouges. Tormented by water and eroded, with deep valleys looking like bowls.

And then there is Terroles, northeast of Peyrolles, and situated at the heights above Terres Rouges.
Would that name too come from the word "Olla"? "Terre" and "olla"?

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PostPosted: 14 Dec 2015 3:41 pm 
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East side Serres, halfway to Les Pontils, walking the woods at the plateau. More ruined walls/huts/stones here.

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And more images from Terres Rouge:

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View from east side Serres towards Cardou base. Lots of visible paths/earth work there:

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PostPosted: 14 Dec 2015 3:43 pm 
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Along the Rialsesse. This river has modifications all the way from Serres to Arques.
Some very look old, some does not seem to be so old.

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Peyrolles stone base:
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PostPosted: 14 Dec 2015 4:30 pm 
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Good photo.... you can see that the menhir is a breccia/puddingstone conglomerate.
(Conglomérat calcaire de type "poudingue")


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PostPosted: 14 Dec 2015 10:46 pm 
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Sheila wrote:
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Good photo.... you can see that the menhir is a breccia/puddingstone conglomerate.
(Conglomérat calcaire de type "poudingue")


I didn't know the name of the rock type, but there are a lot of that type too (at least I think it could be the same kind) - really big ones - scattered below the arrowhead edge to the west, just above the walking path that follows the base around the bulge. All around the edge in fact. Perhaps fallen from above? Or eroded, coming off the rock maybe? I posted some pictures earlier in the "Real stones..."-thread.

But what's with all the water constructions from Arques to Serres? I know there are/were several mills in the area and even today water is used to give some of the fields water. Still, there are dams and and ruined constructions all along this part to control flow. There are several outlets and inlets. You can see on any map that large parts of Rialsesse have been straightened out to pretty much perfect lines with old walls at the sides still visible at places. And we have seen that the final part of that stretch, the one at south Serres, was at one point probably severely damaged and/or reconstructed. Not to mention the red/brown color of it's water.
Is this normal? Would any given river stretch in the Aude be given this much attention?

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PostPosted: 15 Dec 2015 1:53 am 
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Wonderful photos BS, as Sheila has mentioned a few times before. It`s nice of you to have brought us along on your Holiday, it`s unfortunately the closest some of us will get to walking the grounds in person.


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PostPosted: 15 Dec 2015 3:25 pm 
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Crimson_Ghost wrote:
Wonderful photos BS, as Sheila has mentioned a few times before. It`s nice of you to have brought us along on your Holiday, it`s unfortunately the closest some of us will get to walking the grounds in person.


Thank you. And you never know when Languedoc comes knocking on your door.

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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2015 6:43 pm 
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Crimson_Ghost wrote:
Wonderful photos BS, as Sheila has mentioned a few times before. It`s nice :P of you to have brought us along on your Holiday, it`s unfortunately the closest some of us will get to walking the grounds in person.


I agree with CG, I too thoroughly enjoy looking at your photographs and following your jaunts around the Razes :P


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PostPosted: 16 Dec 2015 9:26 pm 
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tingra wrote:
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Wonderful photos BS, as Sheila has mentioned a few times before. It`s nice :P of you to have brought us along on your Holiday, it`s unfortunately the closest some of us will get to walking the grounds in person.


I agree with CG, I too thoroughly enjoy looking at your photographs and following your jaunts around the Razes :P


Thanks! Still a few photos left to post.
And I hope I get the chance to return eventually to take more. It's quite addictive.

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PostPosted: 06 Jan 2016 11:08 pm 
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Some more photos from the grounds where the Rialsesse used to roll before the shift.

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Barbarian Storm wrote:
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PostPosted: 07 Mar 2016 11:27 pm 
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I can`t believe I`m saying this but, I see what looks like a rabbit in that field. Maybe I`m getting spring fever...


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PostPosted: 08 Mar 2016 10:12 am 
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I can`t believe I`m saying this but, I see what looks like a rabbit in that field. Maybe I`m getting spring fever...


HA HA HA that was funny :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: 08 Mar 2016 11:27 am 
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Maybe we see what we want to see. 8)
I see other stuff.

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PostPosted: 08 Mar 2016 4:09 pm 
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please dont take offence BS i enjoy your work, it was just funny the way CGs comment came accross thats all :P


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PostPosted: 08 Mar 2016 9:08 pm 
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tingra wrote:
please dont take offence BS i enjoy your work, it was just funny the way CGs comment came accross thats all :P


No worries :lol:

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PostPosted: 13 Mar 2016 5:43 pm 
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There an old graveyard close to Les Pontils, according to a Napoleonic cadastral map.
If I am correct, there's an article on Rhedesium about it.
And bergeredearcadie has mentioned the graveyard several times.

So the location according to the old map would be on the fields just west of Les Pontils (and to the east of Serres):

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Now, let's use the best possible aerial pictures from the photo sessions that has captured crop mark the best over time.

Is this the grave yard we see here on these manipulated aerials?
See all the dark dots, there's a lot of them. Are these graves that were once dug here? Even lined up, to some extent...

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Please take a good look:

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PostPosted: 15 Mar 2016 12:15 am 
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And just to keep you up to date on Serres, since I got home I've done a lot more work on available aerial images.
The square is coming along. It's been modified several times.
I've used bright areas, shadows and elevation to determine a possible wall (earth/stone/wood/combination?). Some locations for possible towers is coming along too.

RED=bright crop marks, lines, bright areas. Visible on aerials.
RED EDGE/WHITE INSIDE=Current building that possibly have ancient foundations and fit to the picture.
WHITE LINES=Current visible roads/paths/streets.
YELLOW LINE=Projected Cardo maximus

The southwest corner is a problem though (BLUE line shows how it should be...).
Some possible explanations for this could be:
• This corner was made of stone and have collapsed down the slope. What we see are buried stones 1-2 meter under the ground. Probably not the case, but who knows...?
• Another alternative is that though the camp/village was built like a square, it was never a perfect square (which was the case many times even for Roman engineering when terrain had to be taken into account).
• Or, we could be looking at a corner gate or an extension of the wall.
• Or finally, the tower here was simply in a way so that it's main body was located towards the outside of the camp/settlement/village/city and not towards the inside. I hold this for the most logical explanation so far.

A very nice discovery are all the white lines on the map which represent current roads, visible for all on maps and images to see.
See how perfectly they stick to the grid at the part where they can are found.

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Background, free of my lines:
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Now, I am well aware that some lines do match at all. There are not marked on my map.
Still, I think you can see that the general picture is improving and becoming clearer.
If the Romans were here, was it simply a temporary camp - or was it a relatively large settlement for this area?
Hopefully time will one day tell 8)

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PostPosted: 15 Mar 2016 7:42 pm 
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This is a possible solution to the southwest corner:

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PostPosted: 15 Mar 2016 7:45 pm 
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To the east, the grid is easily visibile.
We even have three parallel road... don't you find that amazing?
Also, spot the bright crop mark patterns in the fields.

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Only blind people will not spot this 8)

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PostPosted: 15 Mar 2016 7:56 pm 
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And there's another fascinating find.
A large double circle.

I visited this area. There are large piles of stone here:.

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Where's it at?
In the northwestern corner of this picture you can fint it:

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From above, it looked like this:

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Let's make it easier to see contrasts:

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And finally, let's use a layout program to see if we get a circle shapes:

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Yes, we do.
Here could perhaps even be an outer outline that I have not marked yet.

Theatre? Temple? Something else? Something not Roman?

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Crimson_Ghost wrote:
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I can`t believe I`m saying this but, I see what looks like a rabbit in that field. Maybe I`m getting spring fever...


Sitting with either a cat, or an owl, right?

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PostPosted: 22 Mar 2016 12:07 am 
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Caelum wrote:
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I can`t believe I`m saying this but, I see what looks like a rabbit in that field. Maybe I`m getting spring fever...


Sitting with either a cat, or an owl, right?


:lol: No. A dark portion looked like the outline of a rabbit. Like I said, perhaps the wish for spring weather was a factor.


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