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PostPosted: 17 Nov 2011 7:52 pm 
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TCP do you have a link saying that the group Plantard was fighting was the OSLJ? I just heard Plantard say the Priory in America. It is a interesting thought.


A link? As though this is common knowledge? Of course not!

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PostPosted: 17 Nov 2011 7:56 pm 
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Ok that is what I thought
its your belief there is a connection

and I can see how you can go there

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TCP are there other Lazarist chapels like the one in New Orleans? Would you say this location is special?
It is interconnected with the convent

It is a bit spooky by the way
the upstairs of the house is forbidden to tourists and the FBI :wink:

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PostPosted: 17 Nov 2011 8:17 pm 
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lovuian wrote:
Ok that is what I thought
its your belief there is a connection


It helps to know who the individuals were that Plantard was referring to.

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TCP are there other Lazarist chapels like the one in New Orleans? Would you say this location is special?


If you're asking if the OSLJ maintains other chapels in New Orleans I'd say the likelihood is that they do not. If you're asking about the Vincentians or the Ursulines, I have no idea.

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PostPosted: 19 Nov 2011 11:27 pm 
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And as you know Roscoe, "there are two paths you can go by".


Yes but "in the long run there's still time to change the road you're on".

"The piper's calling you to join him."




For sure.

But then how long do you want to run?

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It is interesting that there are Crista-like designs on the walls of Limoux.

That is where I thought they`d hide such an important artifact.

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"One with three figures dates from the 15th century. The one of the holy trinity highlights the absurdity of no female presence. One has three figures named as Saints Sergius, Bacchus and Justine which confuses me at first as the middle one clearly seems to be a woman and then I realise that she must be Justine. One again [as with St. George] there is the motif of having conquered something that's being trampled underfoot but at least she isn't actively killing it and it's good to see a woman's presence, which is rare, apart from Madonna icons. But there is actually another woman in one of the icons and it's the same one as I saw in the icon museum at Dubrovnik – Jesus and Mary Magdalene, both of them with haloes. Saint Spiridion looks a little stern. Saint Anthony, the hermit, has various scenes from his life included in his icon, surrounding him. St Dimitri is my favourite."

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"Saints Sergio, Bacchus, and Justine." This looks like a female St. Michael to me.

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"One with three figures dates from the 15th century. The one of the holy trinity highlights the absurdity of no female presence. One has three figures named as Saints Sergius, Bacchus and Justine which confuses me at first as the middle one clearly seems to be a woman and then I realise that she must be Justine. One again [as with St. George] there is the motif of having conquered something that's being trampled underfoot but at least she isn't actively killing it and it's good to see a woman's presence, which is rare, apart from Madonna icons. But there is actually another woman in one of the icons and it's the same one as I saw in the icon museum at Dubrovnik – Jesus and Mary Magdalene, both of them with haloes. Saint Spiridion looks a little stern. Saint Anthony, the hermit, has various scenes from his life included in his icon, surrounding him. St Dimitri is my favourite."

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"Saints Sergio, Bacchus, and Justine." This looks like a female St. Michael to me.


The palm in the hand is a giveaway for Justina of Padua and the beast is a cerberus.

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The palm in the hand is a giveaway for Justina of Padua and the beast is a cerberus.


Not to mention the fact that her waistline wouldn't work too well on a guy. But hey, it's the bizarre world of alternative history, right?

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TCP wrote:
rs2008 wrote:
The palm in the hand is a giveaway for Justina of Padua and the beast is a cerberus.


Not to mention the fact that her waistline wouldn't work too well on a guy. But hey, it's the bizarre world of alternative history, right?

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I like to think of it as reassurance that I'm working on the correct jigsaw puzzle :wink:

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rs2008 wrote:
The palm in the hand is a giveaway for Justina of Padua and the beast is a cerberus.


Not to mention the fact that her waistline wouldn't work too well on a guy. But hey, it's the bizarre world of alternative history, right?

TCP


I like to think of it as reassurance that I'm working on the correct jigsaw puzzle :wink:


That's an excellent way of looking at it. :wink:

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St. Justina of Padua.

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PostPosted: 20 Feb 2012 4:06 pm 
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Don't you mean Mary THE MAGDALENE?

From a title which meant "of Magdala". Mary Magdalene, a character in the New Testament, was named thus because she was from Magdala -



Definetly "The Magdalene", and it is always rendered this way, not a place but a title, not from Magdala but from Bethany.

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Yet any mention of the Cathar belief that this Jesus was an evil, false deceiver in the same source is completely ignored. Does anyone really think that the Cathars would venerate a deceiver and his female companion? Or that their principal sacrament, the Consolamentum, would require the candidates to dissolve their own marriages if they really held marriage to be sacred?

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The earthly Jesus, born in Bethleham was no more evil than any of them prior to the Consolamentum. All flesh was evil to the Cathars.

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Yet any mention of the Cathar belief that this Jesus was an evil, false deceiver in the same source is completely ignored. Does anyone really think that the Cathars would venerate a deceiver and his female companion? Or that their principal sacrament, the Consolamentum, would require the candidates to dissolve their own marriages if they really held marriage to be sacred?

One can never know what the Cathars *really* believed - as we don't have their teachings first hand.

Why would we use the Inquisition reports to decide what the Cathar policy/belief was on anything?


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One can never know what the Cathars *really* believed - as we don't have their teachings first hand.


Ca, c'est archi-faux. En plus, les temoignages contemporains laiques abondent. Il suffit de chercher un tout petit peu.


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PostPosted: 20 Feb 2012 7:43 pm 
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One can never know what the Cathars *really* believed - as we don't have their teachings first hand.


Ca, c'est archi-faux. En plus, les temoignages contemporains laiques abondent. Il suffit de chercher un tout petit peu.



wow, n'etaient pas en quelque sorte d'accord sommes-nous, Roger?

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PostPosted: 20 Feb 2012 8:18 pm 
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Roger,

Please speak to me in English, as i am English.

Also, we do not have the Cathar religion written down by them in the same way we have the Catholic religion.

Secular reports still do not constitute Cathar information from their own hand.


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Roger,

Please speak to me in English, as i am English.



He's too lazy to put subtitles :wink:


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PostPosted: 21 Feb 2012 1:37 am 
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bergeredearcadie wrote:
Roger,

Please speak to me in English, as i am English.

Also, we do not have the Cathar religion written down by them in the same way we have the Catholic religion.

Secular reports still do not constitute Cathar information from their own hand.


You are so right
most of the Cathar information was destroyed

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