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 Post subject: Re: The "Crista"
PostPosted: 10 Feb 2014 5:59 pm 
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Hi Crimson Ghost. yes i'm still here ...and no, apologies but i don't care to comment on anything these days as i get misconstrued right, left & centre.


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You have an inquiring mind C.G.... study the geology of the area in question, especially the sous-sol... it's all very pertinent considering the weather situation we are experiencing at the moment.


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You have an inquiring mind C.G.... study the geology of the area in question, especially the sous-sol... it's all very pertinent considering the weather situation we are experiencing at the moment.


Can you elaborate on the weather situation .....
and I know your work on the Chrism is awesome
I'm not as good at explaining how important the Anointing of the King is .....over in the other thread as you are....your work was tremendous in that area.....

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Sheila wrote:
You have an inquiring mind C.G.... study the geology of the area in question, especially the sous-sol... it's all very pertinent considering the weather situation we are experiencing at the moment.


I understand Sheila. I`ll see what I can do. Thanks


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 Post subject: The "Crista"
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Merovingians: The Once, The Present, & Future kings

A Magickal Greco-Roman Crystal Ball:

(Pictured: Roman crystal ball with Greek palindrome, ca. 300 AD, from grave in Aarslev, Denmark).

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 Post subject: The "Crista"
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From the you-tube video "X-Files 6 Priory of Sion Office in Venice".

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 Post subject: Re: The "Crista"
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That's so cool Renne!

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 Post subject: Re: The "Crista"
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A far 'out of place' crystal ball sanctified to Abrasax. It's difficult to accept the 'anchor' being Christian.

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I got suspicious with "crystals" being tied to "Christianity" and also the "anchor" sign. I have heard of "ships" being the sign for Christians, but not an 'anchor' so did a websearch and the anchor was a symbol for Isis and the "ABLATHANALBA" word was something tied to gnostics or a word commonly used in spells/mysticism.

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The magic word "Ablanathanalba," which reads in Greek the same backward as forward, also occurs in the Abrasax-stones as well as in the magic papyri. This word is usually conceded to be derived from the Hebrew (Aramaic), meaning "Thou art our father" (אב לן את), and also occurs in connection with Abrasax


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The text can better be seen in this picture. Clearly it isn’t a true, symmetrical palindrome. Apparently you have to read it as a-b-l-a-than-a-l-b-a to make it a palindrome.

This guy has on his blog - in Danish also wondered about the asymmetry of the text and why the National Museum claimed it to be a palindrome. After six months of wondering he decided to call the museum. They admitted that it was only “a kind of a palindrome” On his blog you can also see the label next to the crystal ball with text in Danish and English. It seems like they regard the engraving as an abbreviation of the complete palindrome. Unfortunately I don’t know Greek well enough to say whether this is plausible or not.

The interpretation of the text is not “You are our father” as in a parent, but more like “You are our god”

Here’s another artifact – a japis-saving found at an unknown location in Denmark - with the same inscription plus the Greek vowels. Source: National Museum of Denmark website.


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The Årslev grave from the end of the 300s was found in 1820 at Årslev Kirkebakke on Funen. In it two skeletons lay beside each other, but only one of the deceased had grave goods. Perhaps the person without the grave goods was a slave. The unique grave furnishings probably belonged to a woman. She was accompanied by other things: bronze dishes and buckets, a silver spoon, a crystal ball and an exclusive set of jewellery.

The small ball of rock crystal has a carved inscription with a palindrome - ABLANAQANALBA. The magical use of letters like this palindrome and repetitions of strings of letters was one of the remedies prescribed by the Roman Emperor Caracalla’s personal physician Serenus. The spell ablana/analba is known from several amulets from the Mediterranean area and is related to the cult of the god Abrasax. The meaning of the text is ‘You are our father’.

Beneath the inscription the ball is decorated with a small ‘anchor’. The anchor is an early Christian symbol. In the Bible it is a symbol of hope – the hope of the soul. The anchor may symbolize the soul of the deceased. After a long and perilous journey, the soul finally drops anchor in a safe haven.

We know from the classical authors that rock crystal was thought to have healing properties – it could assuage thirst, and cool and cure fever. Another property of such a crystal ball is that if one looks through it one can see the world upside down. This may have contributed to the magical significance of the ball.

The crystal ball from Årslev is the only one of its kind in Denmark. Its origin in the Roman Empire would have made it an exotic object in the Iron Age society of the time. Very few people could write and decipher the Scandinavian runes. Even fewer could read and understand the Greek inscription on the Årslev woman’s crystal ball

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/c ... me_ca_300/

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...many of the Greek magical papyri, in which the word “ABLATHANALBA” appears numerous times, were nonetheless written as part of an Egyptian priests’ library of formularies

https://danharms.wordpress.com/2007/03/ ... sh-update/

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Some interesting photos of an inscribed crystal ball from ca. 300 CE: http://www.kornbluthphoto.com/Aarslev.html

"Budapest with related Copenhagen sphere"
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 Post subject: The "Crista"
PostPosted: 03 Feb 2015 12:42 am 
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Thank you TCJ!

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Christian anchor symbol.

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Drachma symbol of an anchor.

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An ancient anchor as the symbol for Ankara, Anatolia. (Ankara/anchor).

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Archaic ABRASAX gem in a ring.

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The reverse (shown above) depicts an anchor with an entwined dolphin, a motif perhaps related to Neptune, and reads:
TR P COS VII DES VIII PP ( Tribunicia Potestate Consul VII Des[ignatio?] VIII Pater Patriae).

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 Post subject: The "Crista"
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Merovingian coin.

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From the you-tube video "Sensational Merovingian Cross".

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 Post subject: Re: The "Crista"
PostPosted: 01 Apr 2015 10:07 pm 
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Shelia/tingra,

I was recently analysing some Visigothic script/texts.

In relation to the crista desgn, chi rho etc - i have been meaning to ask .... some are shown with the P and the S added. I cant remember what the P and S are for.
I think i have seen some where the P = Pax - what is the S?

I am intrigued why the Visigoths used the S, because they were quite early .....


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 Post subject: Re: The "Crista"
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bergeredearcadie wrote:
Shelia/tingra,

I was recently analysing some Visigothic script/texts.

In relation to the crista desgn, chi rho etc - i have been meaning to ask .... some are shown with the P and the S added. I cant remember what the P and S are for.
I think i have seen some where the P = Pax - what is the S?

I am intrigued why the Visigoths used the S, because they were quite early .....


The "SP" on Visigothic coins means they were minted in Spali (Hispalis/Seville).

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For a pre-Christian chi ro, they've been said to mean Phosphorus and Serpens from the Asclepius cult.


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"SP" on Visigothic coins means they were minted in Spali (Hispalis/Seville).

Hi,

Not talking about coins though, but manuscripts ....


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"SP" on Visigothic coins means they were minted in Spali (Hispalis/Seville).

Hi,

Not talking about coins though, but manuscripts ....


I realize. Wasn't answering so much as adding a data point on the chance that there might be a relationship. SP was their shorthand for what was the capital for some Visigoth kings.

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It's not a P per se , but a Þ(thorn)... and it's an excellent question Sandy, one which will keep the Arcadia scholars busy for quite a wee while.


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bergeredearcadie wrote:
Shelia/tingra,

I was recently analysing some Visigothic script/texts.

In relation to the crista desgn, chi rho etc - i have been meaning to ask .... some are shown with the P and the S added. I cant remember what the P and S are for.
I think i have seen some where the P = Pax - what is the S?

I am intrigued why the Visigoths used the S, because they were quite early .....




Sandy,

Do you have an image of what you have in consideration.

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 Post subject: Re: The "Crista"
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It's not a P per se , but a Þ(thorn)... and it's an excellent question Sandy, one which will keep the Arcadia scholars busy for quite a wee while.


Thorn is pronounced as a "th" sound in English (like THe). You'll find it in Old English and in some middle English, although it started to die out in middle English texts. It's still found in some Nordic languages like Icelandic.

Interestingly enough, when you see "ye" in English used in the context of a pub for example "Ye old Bull" the Y is a corruption of thorn Þ (or eth ð, which is also a th sound, Old English linguistic debate this but I tend to side with the weaker/softer th sound like "do-eth"). The symbol evolved into a y over the years before falling out of use.

Don't mix it up with ye in the context of the plural of you though!

Has anyone here read La Chanson de Roland? For those who speak French here, it is a difficult text as it is in Anglo-Norman or Old French (depending on the edition you read).
But well worth the effort.

It was through Old French literature I was introduced to Anglo-Saxon and Middle English texts.

Anyway, I don't believe that is a thorn symbol (if we are discussing the coin) for a variety of reasons, not least it does not look like a thorn symbol. Also I don't believe the Visigoth's used any derivative of the Futhark (elder/younger) that was common in Northern Europe during the period.


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Also I don't believe the Visigoth's used any derivative of the Futhark (elder/younger) that was common in Northern Europe during the period.


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Sheila is right [as she very often is :mrgreen: ]

From wiki:

Thorn or þorn (Þ, þ) is a letter in the Old English, Gothic, Old Norse and modern Icelandic alphabets, as well as some dialects of Middle English. It was also used in medieval Scandinavia, but was later replaced with the digraph th, except in Iceland where it survives. The letter originated from the rune p in the Elder Fuþark and was called thorn in the Anglo-Saxon and thorn or thurs (a category of beings in Germanic Paganism) in the Scandinavian rune poems. Its reconstructed Proto-Germanic name is Thurisaz.

Makes sense with the ancestry of the Goths.


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This: Gutþiuda Þiudinassus ppears on wikipedia.

You could be correct, but I would like a link to some texts from the period that show thorn being used?


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bergeredearcadie wrote:
Sheila is right [as she very often is :mrgreen: ]

From wiki:

Thorn or þorn (Þ, þ) is a letter in the Old English, Gothic, Old Norse and modern Icelandic alphabets, as well as some dialects of Middle English. It was also used in medieval Scandinavia, but was later replaced with the digraph th, except in Iceland where it survives. The letter originated from the rune p in the Elder Fuþark and was called thorn in the Anglo-Saxon and thorn or thurs (a category of beings in Germanic Paganism) in the Scandinavian rune poems. Its reconstructed Proto-Germanic name is Thurisaz.

Makes sense with the ancestry of the Goths.


Well I provided you that information above as well. However the Goths split into separate peoples, and the method of writing adapted as well.
It's why early Germanic peoples shared common features in their runic script and later latinized script, but noticeable differences started to appear.

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So I did some research and the early Goth's used thiuth. This actually looks more like a u with a line running down a middle.
You can see it on Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_alphabet

And some more information here:

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/gothic.htm

It is the counter part of thorn and pronounced the same. You'll see it transliterated into thorn as well.

The later Visigothic alphabet used in scriptorium can be seen here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigothic_script

Further to my comment about them not using the Futhark. If anything, the Futhark may have derived from Gothic runes.
It would explain how thyth became thorn in Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian tongues.
You can see original Runic scripts here, which died out in the 4th C.

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/gothicrunes.htm

If you compare thyth with thiuth there was a drastic change in shape and style.

Either way I don't think that is a thorn being displayed on the coin.


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Either way I don't think that is a thorn being displayed on the coin.


I don't either, it's neither a P, a thorn or a þorn....



The Visigothic staurograms/christograms are characterised by the stroke at the upper right side of the pole which is a reduction of the curl of the P....( which isn't a P or a þ)



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