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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 08 Mar 2017 1:48 am 
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hans peper wrote:
Wombat :

The MM is not straight and parralel. "Your" drawing is not correct, therefore the axis can't fit.

Use a correct groundplan.

The secret is, to work exactly. (old german speak :lol: )


No joke, you can see it by areal image that the church is not retangular.

But do not draw a line on the sat image when the two points have different heights ! The sat is wide south of RlC when the picture is shot.

When i draw a line, I use the cardastrale .

The belvedere is alighned to the MM church and if you think, you have solved the MM, you have to go out in the Belvedere. This is the next step. When you think, you found spot in the MM, you go out and look for the spot. You must do it from the Belvedere.
And if the message of the Belvedere is the same than in the church, - you are right.

regards Hans


Hi Hans

I agree the MM church is not straight and parallel.

The point I was making was that the "as built" plan is likely different to the "as planned" plan - if you get my drift.

So, do you have a good "as built" plan or aerial photograph?


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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 08 Mar 2017 6:44 am 
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Wombat wrote:
...The point I was making was that the "as built" plan is likely different to the "as planned" plan - if you get my drift.

So, do you have a good "as built" plan or aerial photograph?


I only can find this one in the moment.
Sorry that I drew a line into it. It is the direction where Jesus (from the Fleury) is looking at.

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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 08 Mar 2017 4:20 pm 
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This plan does not correspond with the cadastre. I think the one who carefully measured the church and made a map was Paul Saussez. Would rely on him.


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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 08 Mar 2017 6:58 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 09 Mar 2017 9:57 pm 
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The inner life of the tour Magdala. A chess board. 8x8.

Does it fit with the Orangerie as complete chessboard? I don't know. BS tried and it does not look like. But on the pic below one can see the "other" full correct chess board on the Saunière estate. So one chess board in the church....and one chess board at the TM.



http://www.renneslechateau.info/la-fals ... el-jardin/


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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 10 Mar 2017 3:55 pm 
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By taking the "inner" chessboards (well, not exactly, but approx..) in the two towers as starting points the picture looks already better. Still symbolic, but I think to make such a drawing on an air pic is not without problems and we have to take the natural occurences into consideration too.

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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
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You can clearly see, that the whole Belvedere, exept the towers doesn't fit to the grid. (stairs, round center etc.)

Interesting to see, that the walls between the towers are not symmetric.

The problem for Sauniere was to alighn the Belvedere into the axis of the MM.

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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 10 Mar 2017 6:47 pm 
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fmh999 wrote:
By taking the "inner" chessboards (well, not exactly, but approx..) in the two towers as starting points the picture looks already better. Still symbolic, but I think to make such a drawing on an air pic is not without problems and we have to take the natural occurences into consideration too.

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Then again the church area is a perfect square where walls of the church match the 8x8 grid beautifully.
But I've already been going on about that, sorry 8)

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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 10 Mar 2017 7:13 pm 
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Ill check how much they differ in size.

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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 10 Mar 2017 7:38 pm 
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So "chess boards" and Towers just everywhere.

What is a chess board? A board for a strategic game. But it is also a square with tower pieces in all 4 Corners. The tour Magdala is such a piece.

I don't think that happend accidently. Definitely not. And the chess board is not the only obvious geometric design the priests put in RLC.


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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 10 Mar 2017 11:33 pm 
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fmh999 wrote:
So "chess boards" and Towers just everywhere.

What is a chess board? A board for a strategic game. But it is also a square with tower pieces in all 4 Corners. The tour Magdala is such a piece.

I don't think that happend accidently. Definitely not. And the chess board is not the only obvious geometric design the priests put in RLC.



Its a way for builders and architects to plan and get the geometry about right 8)

Symmetry is beautiful.

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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 11 Mar 2017 9:47 am 
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Oh yes. Perfectly said.


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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 11 Mar 2017 7:34 pm 
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Geometry has a sacred symbolic aspect to it


The Creator uses geometry to create

The triangle symbolizes the trinity......the Catholic Church used the triangle as a symbol for the trinity
Sauniere wore the golden triangle with the Tetragrammaton on his vestments at the Rennes Museum
He understood the sacred symbolism

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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 19 Mar 2017 4:32 pm 
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Interesting stone I saw today in a Roman museum. It is a small Roman gravestone, ca. 45 x 25 cm

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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 21 Mar 2017 8:46 pm 
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fmh999 wrote:
Interesting stone I saw today in a Roman museum. It is a small Roman gravestone, ca. 45 x 25 cm

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Where did you see it?

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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
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There is a place named "Brugg" n Switzerland, where the Roman "Vindonissa" Museum is located. Vindonissa was a huge Roman camp as you can see on the pic attached. And just a few kilometers away is the Habsburg, the first castle and the place where the Habsburg dynasty was actually founded.

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Ok That's a nice model.

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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 17 Apr 2017 4:24 pm 
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Digged for the last 3 days. Still a long way to go to dig my way just beneath the ceiling to see how far this mine goes into the mountain. Worked with an avalanche stick in the shaft but could not reach an end yet. So good sign I would say. Need to work with a camera next time.

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fmh999 wrote:
Digged for the last 3 days. Still a long way to go to dig my way just beneath the ceiling to see how far this mine goes into the mountain. Worked with an avalanche stick in the shaft but could not reach an end yet. So good sign I would say. Need to work with a camera next time.

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Looks like you need a cold beer. Good Luck!


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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 17 Apr 2017 11:22 pm 
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Be careful down there and good luck!

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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
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Good luck, fmh.

May the force be with you....

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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 01 May 2017 3:15 pm 
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Some insights in the coding of the LVLC from Boudet:

There are at least 2 separate codes hidden in his book. One of them was most probably (at least partially) known to Plantard and Cherisey. This one bases on a standard key/source approach.

Boudet hints towards the key very openly in his book in the avant-propos: Le titre donné à cet ouvrage semble, au premier abord, trop prétentieux pour être rigoureusement exact. Il est facile, toutefois, d’en démontrer la vérité, puisque la langue celtique……… (and)………langue vivante, à laquelle nous faisons allusion, nous a puissamment aidé à découvrir le magnifique monument celtique existant à Rennes-les-Bains…

Le titre donné – the key of the first code is hidden in the title of the book. By looking at the front page of the book one sees that the title above the year indication consists of 4 different main parts and 2 connecting parts.
By looking at the 4 main parts one can detect the following key:

LA VRAIE LANGUE CELTIQUE= 4 words
Le Cromleck de Rennes-les-Bains = 6 words
L’Abbé H. Boudet = 4 words
CURE DE RENNES-LES-BAINS (AUDE) = 6 words

So the key to be used is 4 6 4 6. Where to use it? Also here Boudet indicates quite openly the source to be used. Once found, take the 4th letter, then the 6th letter, afterwards again the 4th, etc – like this, a new text appears out of the source to be used.

Why do I think that Plantard and Cherisey knew about this first code? Because there are key words appearing such as

A R I E S
E P E E
VA L S C A E A
etc.

But I also have seen that this first decoding has a second layer…whether they found this one too? Still working on it – more to follow. I think that this first code indicates more the "what" and the "who" and the "why". Meanwhile a second code exists in the book that is hinting towards the "where".

Happy to contribute more once I have more details!


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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 01 May 2017 3:50 pm 
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Did I understand right, that you found your spot after decoding the book with the the second code ?

This sounds very interesting, because it indicates, that the maps of Plantard are according to that, what he found out, by using the first code, - but maybe also by using the second one.

I am sure, that his map from the reprint contains the hint to the right place.

regards Hans

PS Es sieht so aus, als ob wir deutsch schreiben koennen... :|

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 Post subject: Re: "Real" RLC stones
PostPosted: 01 May 2017 4:51 pm 
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Yes. There are (at least) 2 different codes hidden in the LVLC. The one I mentioned is the one with the key words - these were used by Plantard and Cherisey quite prominently. So I suppose that they knew about this first Code. BUT: this first Code has a second layer in itself. Whether P and C also have seen this additional level - I do not know yet.

And there is a second Code. Yes, that is the one which led me to the spot I am working on. Cannot say more for the time being as I need to work with a camera and a strong light to be attached to an avalanche stick.

Agree with you concerning the map. Well, it hints towards the spot. It does not contain the Code per se in itself (my personal opinion only)


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